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<blockquote data-quote="TrainTrac" data-source="post: 957899" data-attributes="member: 55399"><p>True. It's nothing more than simple class warfare.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>According to the original article that I posted, they're already <em>better</em> compensated than their private-sector counterparts:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So if a GM worker earns more than a Toyota worker, and Toyota has surpassed GM as the world's #1 automaker, it would seem to me that the Toyota workers, aren't getting their "fair share", not the GM workers.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't "hate" unions. I really don't "hate" anything. "Hate" to me is such a strong, powerful word, conjuring up a deep strong emotion. So I find it really disingenuous when someone accuses those with whom they disagree on something to "hate" that particular subject or to be a "hater". It's really reduced the word to being almost insignificant, much like how loosely the accusation of "racist" or "racism" is thrown around nowadays, more often than not in situations where it isn't even relevant.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As has been previously stated by myself and others, much, if not all of what unions "fought for" back in the day now falls under some sort of Federal, State, or Local gov't oversight/regulations. So I simply think that unions don't really have much relevance anymore modern society. If this is not the case, then what's the explanation for the fact that private-sector union membership is down from 20.1% in 1983 to 12.3% in 2009 and further to 11.9% last year?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Moreover, if belonging to unions is such a good thing for the American "worker", then why aren't said Americans given the <strong>free choice</strong> whether or not to join a union, or whether or not to pay dues, rather than making membership mandatory (by law) in some states/professions, and having dues automatically deducted from their paychecks instead of giving the membership the choice/responsibility of stroking a check each month/pay-period, etc?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TrainTrac, post: 957899, member: 55399"] True. It's nothing more than simple class warfare. According to the original article that I posted, they're already [i]better[/i] compensated than their private-sector counterparts: So if a GM worker earns more than a Toyota worker, and Toyota has surpassed GM as the world's #1 automaker, it would seem to me that the Toyota workers, aren't getting their "fair share", not the GM workers. I don't "hate" unions. I really don't "hate" anything. "Hate" to me is such a strong, powerful word, conjuring up a deep strong emotion. So I find it really disingenuous when someone accuses those with whom they disagree on something to "hate" that particular subject or to be a "hater". It's really reduced the word to being almost insignificant, much like how loosely the accusation of "racist" or "racism" is thrown around nowadays, more often than not in situations where it isn't even relevant. As has been previously stated by myself and others, much, if not all of what unions "fought for" back in the day now falls under some sort of Federal, State, or Local gov't oversight/regulations. So I simply think that unions don't really have much relevance anymore modern society. If this is not the case, then what's the explanation for the fact that private-sector union membership is down from 20.1% in 1983 to 12.3% in 2009 and further to 11.9% last year? Moreover, if belonging to unions is such a good thing for the American "worker", then why aren't said Americans given the [b]free choice[/b] whether or not to join a union, or whether or not to pay dues, rather than making membership mandatory (by law) in some states/professions, and having dues automatically deducted from their paychecks instead of giving the membership the choice/responsibility of stroking a check each month/pay-period, etc? [/QUOTE]
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