Chris Kulbaba
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Buyers Beware -- Ebay Scam Released!
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Interesting....
But you get scammed every day....
Went to the diner last night, The menu said appetizer special, 4 hot wings, 4 mozzarella sticks and curly fries.. You are brought 2 huge bowls of marinara and blue cheese, and a plate containing 4 wings, a bunch of fries and 3 mozz sticks buried underneath the fries, so unless you count before you eat, they just scammed you out of a moz stick. And with 4 people eating, no one keeps count... I caught it an made them bring the other stick, but they tried to get away with it.. This was just a small size scam..
Todd Z
But you get scammed every day....
Went to the diner last night, The menu said appetizer special, 4 hot wings, 4 mozzarella sticks and curly fries.. You are brought 2 huge bowls of marinara and blue cheese, and a plate containing 4 wings, a bunch of fries and 3 mozz sticks buried underneath the fries, so unless you count before you eat, they just scammed you out of a moz stick. And with 4 people eating, no one keeps count... I caught it an made them bring the other stick, but they tried to get away with it.. This was just a small size scam..
Todd Z
shawn stonbraker 2
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Nice easy scam. Not surprised. E-Bay in my opinion has really gotten bad since the first time I used it. Used to be you buy something and feedback was left from the seller at that point. The item was shipped imediately after they recieved payment and you got it after it's trec from wherever and then you left feedback. Now it take a chance, roll the dice and hope you get it at all. Alot of people on there are selling stuff that they don't even have! I just waited three weeks for a set of DVD's that I ordered from a company that said they had 13 of them in stock. Turns out that he didn't have them "on hand" and had to order them from somewhere. They then sent him a DVD of one and a VHS of the other. So he then had to reorder them and he had them sent straight from there to me. I got them in the mail today so I am breathing a sigh of relief. And to beat all, they were for a co-worker of mine who wanted them for her kid. Probably the last time I do that.
Chris Kulbaba
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Damn mozza stick scammers!
Thomas Rogers
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I'm not so sure anyone can get away with the scam as outlined in the website above, at least not if you get shipping insurance.
IF you have insured the package, than you should make a claim against the carrier saying package contents were tampered with during shipping. I assume you wouldn't be lying because as the scam reads the seller will attempt to claim they sent the right product. So, just file a claim with the carrier, indicating a problem description like:
"items tampered with; removed and replaced with miscellaneous unwanted items of same weight presumably during transit; see shipper for details."
Then, as the buyer, the issue is totally between the seller who packed and shipped and the carrier. They can they duke it out as to what got shipped, by whom, when.
If you take that recourse, the seller probably will cave and refund your money lest they incurr the wrath of a carrier, who might blacklist them, and have a whole set of real sticky laws to slap them with.
TJR
IF you have insured the package, than you should make a claim against the carrier saying package contents were tampered with during shipping. I assume you wouldn't be lying because as the scam reads the seller will attempt to claim they sent the right product. So, just file a claim with the carrier, indicating a problem description like:
"items tampered with; removed and replaced with miscellaneous unwanted items of same weight presumably during transit; see shipper for details."
Then, as the buyer, the issue is totally between the seller who packed and shipped and the carrier. They can they duke it out as to what got shipped, by whom, when.
If you take that recourse, the seller probably will cave and refund your money lest they incurr the wrath of a carrier, who might blacklist them, and have a whole set of real sticky laws to slap them with.
TJR
Wes Davis
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Todd Z, did you count the fries? LOL They probably got you on the fries as well.
Casey B
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I sell items on ebay, things around the home that get's me extra money for other wanted items. I take pride in giving the best service possible, fast shipping and immediate feedback after payment is received.
What I hate is the sellers that won't leave me feedback even after I pay immediately and leave them feedback once item is received. I make sure to let them know that they have lost a customer and I follow up on my feedback left stating that the seller doesn't acknowledge feedback.
What I hate is the sellers that won't leave me feedback even after I pay immediately and leave them feedback once item is received. I make sure to let them know that they have lost a customer and I follow up on my feedback left stating that the seller doesn't acknowledge feedback.
Chris Kulbaba
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Even if you file the claim with the shipper, the seller can just deny that the wrong item was ever sent... no matter what its the sellers word against the buyers word....
Even if you get reimbursement from the shipping company, and the seller doesnt cave in, which I dont see why he would, since there could be no proof he didnt send the correct item, the seller would still make his money, and you'd get yorus back...
Its a pretty safe, secure scam from what I can tell...
Even if you get reimbursement from the shipping company, and the seller doesnt cave in, which I dont see why he would, since there could be no proof he didnt send the correct item, the seller would still make his money, and you'd get yorus back...
Its a pretty safe, secure scam from what I can tell...
Actually, I got scammed in a similar fashion but you don't have to wait for the first complaint. The seller can ship junk or anything to the buyer and as long as the sell has proof that the items was shipped, PayPal is not responsible for the condition or authenticity of the item shipped.
A few years a go I bought a digital video camcorder that was supposed to be brand new, but the box had been opened. When I received the item it was immediatly appearant that there were parts missing and the camera was damaged. It appeared that someone had tried to pry a tape out of the transport mechanism with a screwdriver or something. I contacked the seller and she said she would send me another one, but I never heard from her again. When I contacted PayPal and filed a report, the stated that I had received the package and therefor there was no further action that the could take since they are not responsible for the contents or condition of the merchandise.
...Rich
A few years a go I bought a digital video camcorder that was supposed to be brand new, but the box had been opened. When I received the item it was immediatly appearant that there were parts missing and the camera was damaged. It appeared that someone had tried to pry a tape out of the transport mechanism with a screwdriver or something. I contacked the seller and she said she would send me another one, but I never heard from her again. When I contacted PayPal and filed a report, the stated that I had received the package and therefor there was no further action that the could take since they are not responsible for the contents or condition of the merchandise.
...Rich
Thomas Rogers
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ck says:
Right. If you have insurance, the seller swears he sent you "A", you swear you received "B", then it seems to me the carrier is caught in the middle and has to refund. I haven't actually experienced that, but I don't see how it is different than a package that arrives broken or with missing pieces because it is opened in transit. So, as you say, CK, the seller keeps his money, you get yours back, and the carrier takes one on the chin. The carrier won't take too many on the chin from that seller or to that buyer before SOME red flag is raised.
Again, I am assuming, because I would never try to perpetrate mail fraud, nor have I been a victim of it...intentionally packing and sending the wrong items is mail fraud, IMHO.
TJR
Right. If you have insurance, the seller swears he sent you "A", you swear you received "B", then it seems to me the carrier is caught in the middle and has to refund. I haven't actually experienced that, but I don't see how it is different than a package that arrives broken or with missing pieces because it is opened in transit. So, as you say, CK, the seller keeps his money, you get yours back, and the carrier takes one on the chin. The carrier won't take too many on the chin from that seller or to that buyer before SOME red flag is raised.
Again, I am assuming, because I would never try to perpetrate mail fraud, nor have I been a victim of it...intentionally packing and sending the wrong items is mail fraud, IMHO.
TJR
David j
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Sometimes honest mistakes do happen. I once bought a fairly expensive digital camera on Ebay. When the package arrived, it was a cordless phone. I immediately contacted the seller. He said the items he sold were already packaged a head of time and he just put the shipping address on the wrong package. He was right. I received the camera in a couple of days. On top of that, he said don't bother returning the phone, just keep it. A rather nice experience I must say, and an honest mistake corrected.
Wes Davis
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Thought I would post this for your reading pleasure received in my email. Apparently I have won the New Mexico Lottery by way of Australia. LOL
From: "New Mexico Lottery" <[email protected]> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
Subject: CONGRATULATIONS!!
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 11:02:41 +0100
New Mexico Lottery Headquarters
Dufourstrasse 101,
c/o Zurich America Center
8008 Zurich,
Switzerland.
WINNING INFORMATION
The members and sponsors happily announce to you the draw of the New Mexico Lottery programs held on the 1st of March, 2006 in Melbourne, Australia. Your e-mail address attached to ticket number: 2247887653 which subsequently won you the lottery in the 2nd category.All participants were selected randomly from World Wide Web site through computer draw system and extracted from over 100,000 individuals and companies.
The Lottery teams up with local companies and media partners to promote Lottery products, and informs citizens on where the proceeds from Lottery ticket sales go.You have therefore been approved to claim a total sum of 1,000,000 EURO(ONE MILLION EURO) in cash. This is from a total cash prize of FIFTY THREE MILLION EURO,shared amongst the first hundred (53) lucky winners in this category.
A statewide focus is taken on most large promotions, and the Lottery works with local companies, such as Pepsi and IBM, in "co-promotional" partnerships. These partnerships help each company introduce new products to customers.This promotion takes place annually. For security reasons, you are advised to keep your winninginformation confidential till your claims is processed and your money remitted to you in whatever manner you deem fit to claim your prize.
This is part of our precautionary measure to avoid double claiming and unwarranted abuse of this program by some unscrupulous elements. Please be warned! In view of this, your 1,000,000 EURO(ONE MILLION EURO) would be released to you by our Security firm. To file for your claim, please contact our fiduciary/Claims Agent:
Name: Mr.Owen Summers
Email: [email protected]
To avoid unnecessary delays and complications, you are to contact Mr Owen Summers with followings details below:
1. Your full names,telephone, contact address
2. quote your Ticket number in any correspondences with us or our designated agent. Our agent will immediately commence the process to facilitate the release of your funds as soon as you contact him.
The Lottery is strongly committed to maintaining the privacy of personal information that is gathered from the use of its web site and web services.
The following statement discloses the Lottery's privacy policy and its information gathering/dissemination practices.
The Lottery will not release personal information to third parties except where it is already provided by law. Depending on the specific nature of the service, information may be shared with other state agencies as stated in the Open Records Act.
This statute allows for the exchange of public records or sharing of information between public agencies when the exchange is serving a legitimate governmental need or is necessary in the performance of a legitimate government function.
E-mail addresses or other information that is obtained as a result of interacting with the New Mexico Lottery web site will be used for the benefit of the Lottery and will not be sold to third party companies except as required by the Open Records Act.
The Lottery will not share personal information with any private party,
except as required by the Open Records Act.
Sincerely,
Kate Bryan
(Zonal Coordinator)
NB.
please contact our fiduciary/Claims Agent:
Name: Mr.Owen Summers
Email: [email protected]
From: "New Mexico Lottery" <[email protected]> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
Subject: CONGRATULATIONS!!
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 11:02:41 +0100
New Mexico Lottery Headquarters
Dufourstrasse 101,
c/o Zurich America Center
8008 Zurich,
Switzerland.
WINNING INFORMATION
The members and sponsors happily announce to you the draw of the New Mexico Lottery programs held on the 1st of March, 2006 in Melbourne, Australia. Your e-mail address attached to ticket number: 2247887653 which subsequently won you the lottery in the 2nd category.All participants were selected randomly from World Wide Web site through computer draw system and extracted from over 100,000 individuals and companies.
The Lottery teams up with local companies and media partners to promote Lottery products, and informs citizens on where the proceeds from Lottery ticket sales go.You have therefore been approved to claim a total sum of 1,000,000 EURO(ONE MILLION EURO) in cash. This is from a total cash prize of FIFTY THREE MILLION EURO,shared amongst the first hundred (53) lucky winners in this category.
A statewide focus is taken on most large promotions, and the Lottery works with local companies, such as Pepsi and IBM, in "co-promotional" partnerships. These partnerships help each company introduce new products to customers.This promotion takes place annually. For security reasons, you are advised to keep your winninginformation confidential till your claims is processed and your money remitted to you in whatever manner you deem fit to claim your prize.
This is part of our precautionary measure to avoid double claiming and unwarranted abuse of this program by some unscrupulous elements. Please be warned! In view of this, your 1,000,000 EURO(ONE MILLION EURO) would be released to you by our Security firm. To file for your claim, please contact our fiduciary/Claims Agent:
Name: Mr.Owen Summers
Email: [email protected]
To avoid unnecessary delays and complications, you are to contact Mr Owen Summers with followings details below:
1. Your full names,telephone, contact address
2. quote your Ticket number in any correspondences with us or our designated agent. Our agent will immediately commence the process to facilitate the release of your funds as soon as you contact him.
The Lottery is strongly committed to maintaining the privacy of personal information that is gathered from the use of its web site and web services.
The following statement discloses the Lottery's privacy policy and its information gathering/dissemination practices.
The Lottery will not release personal information to third parties except where it is already provided by law. Depending on the specific nature of the service, information may be shared with other state agencies as stated in the Open Records Act.
This statute allows for the exchange of public records or sharing of information between public agencies when the exchange is serving a legitimate governmental need or is necessary in the performance of a legitimate government function.
E-mail addresses or other information that is obtained as a result of interacting with the New Mexico Lottery web site will be used for the benefit of the Lottery and will not be sold to third party companies except as required by the Open Records Act.
The Lottery will not share personal information with any private party,
except as required by the Open Records Act.
Sincerely,
Kate Bryan
(Zonal Coordinator)
NB.
please contact our fiduciary/Claims Agent:
Name: Mr.Owen Summers
Email: [email protected]
Chris Kulbaba
Well-Known Member
It just amazed me how it can be so easy... how can they even justify its safe when all it takes is an incorrect package.
What if 1/4 of the people on ebay did this... this is millions if not billions of dollars.
I think the idea of waiting till the claim is filed is to stop PayPal from persuing action....
What if 1/4 of the people on ebay did this... this is millions if not billions of dollars.
I think the idea of waiting till the claim is filed is to stop PayPal from persuing action....
TomT
Well-Known Member
I buy and sell on Ebay all the time. Only got screwed once and luckily it wasn't for much. It's not perfect but I sure have made some great deals and I'm not going to give it up. All you can do is be real careful.
Jeffrey Travis
Well-Known Member
There is recourse using http://www.ic3.gov/
From their website:
>>IC3's mission is to serve as a vehicle to receive, develop, and refer criminal complaints regarding the rapidly expanding arena of cyber crime. The IC3 gives the victims of cyber crime a convenient and easy-to-use reporting mechanism that alerts authorities of suspected criminal or civil violations. For law enforcement and regulatory agencies at the federal, state, local and international level, IC3 provides a central referral mechanism for complaints involving Internet related crimes.
I am in the process so I cannot tell how well the it works but at least the threat of the FBI breathing down their back for a couple hundred bucks (or less) could be a deterrent.
From atop the mound,
JT#14
From their website:
>>IC3's mission is to serve as a vehicle to receive, develop, and refer criminal complaints regarding the rapidly expanding arena of cyber crime. The IC3 gives the victims of cyber crime a convenient and easy-to-use reporting mechanism that alerts authorities of suspected criminal or civil violations. For law enforcement and regulatory agencies at the federal, state, local and international level, IC3 provides a central referral mechanism for complaints involving Internet related crimes.
I am in the process so I cannot tell how well the it works but at least the threat of the FBI breathing down their back for a couple hundred bucks (or less) could be a deterrent.
From atop the mound,
JT#14
