Ford adding start-stop technology to non-hybrids in 2012

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Can't say that I'm really crazy about this technology. Seems like the next evolution in "drive-by-wire". Takes even more direct control of the vehicle's operation away from the driver.



And it's just another example of over-reaching gov't regulation. The only reason it's being implemented is so automakers can meet the ever-risings, ridiculous CAFE standards.:angry:



Ford adding start-stop technology to non-hybrids in 2012



Fords start-stop technology, which allows the engine to shut off and quickly start back up when sitting at a stop light or in heavy traffic has helped Fords hybrids to yield better fuel economy in starting in 2012, non-hybrids models from Ford Motor Company will also offer start-stop technology.



Ford offers some of the US industrys top-selling hybrids like the Fusion Hybrid and Escape Hybrid with 170,000 units sold with this technology, and the Auto Start-Stop system is used in some European models as well. Ford has not specified exactly which non-hybrid models will receive Auto Start-Stop in 2012 but based on the European non-hybrids currently featuring this technology, we can expect Fords top mpg-getters like the Fiesta and Focus to be among the first American models to sport this new feature.



Fords Auto Start-Stop system is as simple as it sounds. When you come to a stop at a light or find yourself sitting in gridlocked traffic, the engine shuts off so there is no fuel wasted due to excessive idling. Not only does this help improve fuel economy with a 4-10% impact (depending on the vehicle), but it also reduces tailpipe emissions so for those folks in dense urban areas, this technology will emit less smog into your atmosphere. One of the concerns is over items like the radio, air conditioning and heater as when a car stalls, those items either dont work, or dont work as well. Fords Auto Start-Stop system is designed in a way that allows those conveniences to keep on working so for someone driving a vehicle with this technology, if you are sitting in traffic on a frosty December morning like today, your heat will still keep the car warm and your stereo will keep you entertained.



Ford has stated that there will be one of these non-hybrids with Auto Start-Stop next month at the 2011 Detroit Auto Show. TorqueNews.com will be there bringing you an in-depth look at everything from the North American International Auto show.
 
This is just great. Ford's A/Cs already suck when idling at stoplights. Now it is gonna get real hot and sticky inside...:banghead::banghead::banghead:
 
Read an article somewhere. The article was a test done on this same exact thing. Proclaimed nothing was saved. That actualy more was burned on start and momentary emissions were greater than, idling.



Cant remember where. It might have been propaganda.
 
The Ford engineers should try it out on rush hour on the Long Island Expressway. You move one car length, wait a minute or two, then move a car length. Start/stop would be a real nusiance. The waste of gas just starting in that situation would defeat the purpose. Wonder if they could make it so the driver has control of that function? Bob
 
In Bob C. 's example, How long before the battery ran down with the constant restarting? If you only move one car length, It doesnt have time to recharge what was lost at startup. Thats a feature I would find a way to bypass if i could.
 
Reminds me of my first truck, a '68 S10 with a 402 CID "396" in it. Back then gas prices were a horrifying 60 cents a gallon, and I got maybe 8 MPG on a good day. I lived in a one stoplight town, and if it looked like the light was going to turn red on me, I'd shift into neutral, turn off the ignition and coast to the intersection and wait out the 2-3 minutes before the light changed. The starter interlock was gone, so I could shift into "D", turn the key, and the starter would propel me across the intersection by which time the big block had come to life, and I drove away normally.



I'm with Gavin about the A/C. I don't know how many people thought that they were going to race me in my Mustang because I had the engine turning at 2 grand at a stoplight, just to keep the cold air flowing.



CAFE is not going away. Any American who thinks we have it bad should go to Europe and see some really Draconian car laws. We have it good here in the US of A, whether we realize it or not.



Eddie, back during the OPEC oil embargoes, a lot was written about how to save fuel, and a lot of seemingly good ideas got debunked. Back when your average car had a ~350 CID motor with a carburetor and points, getting it started did waste energy (don't forget the fuel burned to top off the battery every time) restarting it vs. simply letting it idle for the average stoplight interval. Back then it was common practice to pump the gas pedal, which squirted lots of raw (not atomized) fuel into the manifold. Plenty of that fuel never got burned, and literally went out the tailpipe.



Today's cars are completely different. Now it's feasible to do something like that without the problems of the past. OTOH newer cars have more and more engine-driven accessories that we aren't willing to do without, not even for a minute. The solution for most of these is simple: power them with electricity. We already have electric motors pumping fuel, opening throttles, modulating and boosting brakes etc. Just try to find a car without power windows, electric wipers and other things that were either manual or powered by engine vacuum.



The problem is that our sleek, modern cars still have an ancient 12V DC power system at their heart. We need higher power and more voltage to support the increasing number of electrical components. Although so-called "hybrid" cars are only feel-good, CAFE-cheating scams, the technology being developed for them is ideal for all modern cars.



Why have a separate starter and alternator when one device can do the job of both? That's what hybrids are doing. What if, instead of burying this starter/alternator in the drivetrain, we set it up so that it can turn the A/C compressor when the engine isn't turning? If you're in bumper to bumper traffic, why not have the S/A move your car a few feet every few minutes, and not even start the engine?



No, this doesn't have to kill your battery. Cars can monitor those things. If the battery gets too low, the engine can start and run just like a regular car as it recharges the battery. Deep cycle battery technology can enable longer battery operation. But I suspect that we'll be seeing secondary batteries as options before long. For example, the stop and go commuter in a hot climate might be able to order a special A/C battery that pre-cool a hot car in the parking lot, keep the A/C going longer while still keeping high CAFE numbers, and who knows what else...

 
I am not crazy about this idea either. I cannot imagine how this is going to save much gas unless you are spending a lot of time idling at traffic lights, etc...and then it would get pretty uncomfortable with the AC not running and would tend to overheat the engine? It sounds like they will be using some kind of electric motor to keep the engine powered accessories like AC, running while the engine is off.



Perhaps is may be a feature with an override switch that will all the driver to keep the engine running.



I hate when the auto makers start to grab at straws to meet the new CAFE fuel mileage standards. They always seem to come up with solutions that solve their problem at the expense and convenience of the consumers. Remember the American cars of the mid to late 1970's when most of the computer controlled, reduce emission engines hit the market. They were all crap, with no HP and poor MPG. That's when and why the Japanese and European automakers started to take over the US auto market.



...Rich



 
Remember the American cars of the mid to late 1970's when most of the computer controlled, reduce emission engines hit the market. They were all crap, with no HP and poor MPG.



RL, your right, I remember. They were crap and hard to trouble shoot. I know few folks that ripped that stuff out. Converted back to earlier years. Especialy the chrysler products.
 
Eddie,

I did exactly that same thing. When I was stationed in Germany in 1981, I picked up a 1977 Chevy Caprice Classic Wagon with a blown 350 engine for $500. Except for the engine, the car was in great shape. I replaced the engine with a 307 out of a 1974 Monte Carlo (cost me $95) and got an immediatel 20HP gain. Everything was a bolt in but I did have to swap a few parts from the 350 to the 307. It took me about a week (working only evenings) at the auto craft shop on base.



The car now had a blue book value of $3200 and I sold it for my advertised price of $2800...Not too shabby for for less than a $600 investment for the car and used engine. I might add that I did not conceal the fact from the new owner that I replaced the 350 with a 307. He balked at first but he took the car to his mechanic who said that it was just a bolt in and not a jury-rigged engine swap and everything including the AC worked perfectly.



...Rich
 
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