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Rainbow SportTrac

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I don't know about you guys but I am starting to see a trend with some of the dealers in Florida.



A friend of mine just bought a truck from Freedom Ford, in Clearwater and after a week they called back and told him that the financing they had agreed to was not doable and they wanted him to come back in and sign a new deal that would shorten the payment time and jack up his payments.



I know we have had this problem at Brandon Ford in Brandon, Florida.



Buyer Beware,, even long after the deal is "done"
 
Umm, tell your friend to contact the dealer, and tell them NO, the deal is signed. Thats called the Bait and Switch, I believe. There was another thread about this same subject on here a few months back, might want to search for it.
 
No kidding - doable or not (in the eyes of the dealer), if the deal is signed and legal, it is, by definition, doable. I wouldn't even call back unless it is to indicate that you have the phone number of the local District Attorney. It may not be illegal to ask for new financing, but it would probably pique the interest of the DA.
 
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The fine print on a contract says that the sale must be agreed upon by the customer, the dealership and a lending institution. Even if the dealership and the customer agree and sign, it is still pending final lending approval. The dealership could come and get the vehicle back.



MK ..... The "other" Mark
 
I did search for a thread about this before I posted, but I couldn't find it.. I just thought I would let you guys know that it is happening in the Florida area.



The two times it has happened to us, the dealer was told to "have a nice day" and nothing more came of it. With the exception, that my husband was banned from the dealer because of a "heated" argument with the sales manager. He went up to talk to them about it, the sales manager asked if he would like the take the conversation outside after they started to get loud. Keep in mind the sales manager was 5'2" and my hubby is 6'2". After clarifying that the sales manager knew what he was asking for, they went outside and continued to "discuss" the issue. At that point hubby told them that he would give it back and asked them to give him his trade in back. The sales rep then admitted that they had already sold his truck. DUH!!

Did not hear anything after that.
 
The final lender approval can take days after the initial sale. I've been on the finance end of selling and it's not always as easy as they let on. Yes, when you sign the paper work its with the intention of everything going thru as planned, but there are rare instances when the lender will ask for more documentation (or if the deal was on a time frame there could have been a very slight change in anything number wise) after the inital signing and in those same instances that may require some documents to be re-signed. The lender will not approve the deal unless said documents can be supplied, thus denying any deal that was submitted without proper papers. It's all a bunch of headaches, and not only for the customer but the dealer as well. The best thing you can do is try to keep a level head and talk with the dealer about why it needs to be re-signed.



MK ..... The "other" Mark
 
When we bought our ST, we signed all the paperwork, and there was another "contract" that stated IF the bank financing did not go through or there was a problem, the dealership themselves would provide financing at the rates of the initial one. Not that I was worried, but I thought it kind of cool. Their computer system was down at the time, and they still continued to sell the cars.
 
Similar thing happened to me just days after I took my Trac home. Dealer made a "mistake" in the paperwork where my co-signer was signed as the primary and me as the co-signer and they wanted us to come back to switch the signatures. I think the dealership did this intentionally so that the lender (FoMoCo) looked at my co-signer's excellent credit and not my poor one, then after approval would switch the names around. They also wanted copies of paycheck stubs and household bills. It was very disconcerting at the time and all kind of schemes were playing through my head, but after re-signing (without change to any numbers) and turning in requested paperwork, nothing has come up since.
 
Keep in mind, of course, that the "fine print" the dealership and lender are protected under, also gives the buyer an "out". ANY reputable dealership, or any reputable establishment for that matter, is not going to issue out pre-approved loans unless they are certain the buyer can make the payments. The lender issues minimum qualification criteria that a borrower MUST meet in order to qualify for a specific dollar amount. As long as the dealership follows the pre-set guidelines, and doesn't try to sell a 2006 Escalade to an 18 yo high school drop-out working part time as the fry-cook at Burger King, the lender and dealership can hash out the little details. There is tremendous depreciation to the re-sale value of a new vehicle the minute it leaves the car lot. Even if returned a week later, it must be sold as "used" or "pre-owned", costing thousands of $$$ to the dealership. Remember, the finance department does not work on commission, so there is no vested interest in getting your loan approved (usually).



Let me get to the point and throw in my two cents. Your friend needs to honor the contract's fine print, like the dealership said. It was a signed contract between the dealership and the borrower. Once the lender denied the loan, the contract was null and void and your friend was under NO obligation to enter into another contract. They can get that loan approved. If anyone has the ability to squeeze blood from a turnip, its dealerships, and auto/home lenders. The dealership is the ONLY one that stands to lose money. Your friend can always just buy a different Sport Trac from another dealership, which probably isn't such a bad idea. Instead of a higher interest rate or less months for pay-off, have the dealership knock off about $3,000 - $4,500 in BS charges, commissions, fees, etc. thus bringing the total amount financed down to a level at which your friend may qualify. Well, the carpul-tunul has kicked in and told me to get the hell off my soap box. Best of luck with the dealershit(not a typo).:angry:
 
You will need to read the contract very closely. The often include wording that the deal is not carved in concrete until all the financing has been arranged and approved. Even if you pay cash or get your own financing, there is usually built in delay factor that allows the dealer to call off the deal incase there was a pricing error all the paperwork was not completed correctly.



I have even read on one web site that says you should never take the vehicle home immediately after signing the deal. They recommend that you sign the papers but leave the vehicle until after the waiting time has passed and have the dealer call you when the deal is final and the vehicle is ready for pickup. That takes a lot of their leverage out of the deal.



If you fail to comply and bring the vehicle back or sign the new finance papers, they can have you arrested for auto theft. I doubt that it would go that far, but legally they could do that if they really wanted to push the issue.



...Rich



 
Mark and Rich are correct.



My local dealers make it very clear that as far as they are concerned it is a done deal. However..... there will be a third party that has finial say so if the vehicle is financed. They even show you the fine print.



I would not be happy, but it is in the contract which you signed.
 
Im pretty shocked that this would happen.



What kind of business would let a 30+K vehicle off the lot without KNOWING that the deal is done? Thats plain stupidity on thier part.



I would return the vehicle, and shop elsewhere.



I would probably key the side of the thing for the hell of it, as long as it wasnt a lease.



 
I got Ford's preapproval for up to $15,000 before buying mine last year. Asd I only finaced part of thet 15k and paid it off in two months..well three payments amyway.
 
I always get my financing done up front, before I buy the vehicle. I check the rates, decide where I'm gonna get the financing, and then find out what the payments will be on a range of amounts up to and including the limit of what I want to pay-say $20,000, $22,000, $24,000. I get pre-approved, then I go to the dealer. When I get to the dealer, I only discuss out the door pricing. Let's say I have a trade-in I want to get $6000 for, and I'm willing to pay $30,000 for the car I want to buy. I offer my trade and $20,000, out the door. I already know exactly what I am paying and exactly what my monthly payments will be, but the dealer has to do the math. I've got room to work up to the price I'm really willing to pay, and I know exactly what my cost is at all times. When the deal is done all I have to do is give the salesman the number of my finacial institution and they take it from there. Do the work up front, only deal with out-the-door pricing, and keep the upper hand when it comes to financing a vehicle.
 
Between my high credit score and the dealer screw-up on the price (quoted the miles, not the price when we were looking, 18650 was the miles, not price. I dodn't get the ST for this, but should have), there was no arguement on the financing. I was also pre-approved by Ford for $20k, so when the final selling price agreed to was $21,600 (for a 2002 ST with evything but moon roof and leather seats, more than $6k off book value at the time) the dealer didn't care what happened, the deal was done.



Next time, we are going to the dealer a little more prepared. I did my research on the ST before hand (about 3 months worth). Next time, we will be paying CASH and not having to worry about it.



 
Bill,

That's not really true. It's not always a financing issue. There may be other problems like the wrong price or some other issues with your trade-in, etc.



I worked at a Ford dealer a few years ago, and I can assure you that all purchase agreement contracts have an escape clause that favors the dealer.



...Rich
 

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