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Personally, I think this is well written, and well said.



Encourage immigrants to speak English by speaking ONLY English in business establishments. Make it virtually impossible to function in society without at least having basic knowledge of the language..
 
The reason why we have so many problems regarding requiring 'immigrants' to speak English is that the United States has no legally recognized national language. Until that time, we won't be able to enforce it.



Consider that in California public schools there are hundreds of students in 'ESL' classes. These are English-as-a-second-languge classes. They are supposedly designed to teach subjects in the 'native' language of students, to keep the students from falling behind.



If you look at how international business is run and especially in Europe, English is typically used as the primary language. Most European countries teach English to their students, as their second language. Here in the United States (depending on what part of the country), American students can learn many languages (latin, french, spanish, german).



All 'immigrants' who come to the United States legally are expected to learn the language in order to become naturalized and legal citizens. Why then do we as a country give in to 'illegal immigrants' and let them force us to speak/learn their language?



English needs to be recognized as the National language and all business, education, medical services, police services, etc... needs to be conducted in English.



 
That was a very good article, and it made alot of sense. I was immersed in Italian and it was tough, but well worth it in the end.:)
 
Seriously though, I'm all for bilingual (at least), how many languages does the average european know?



Now, if those customers calling from Brazil would learn Spanish, my life'd be much easier... :lol::lol::lol::p



And English as official language seems a good idea, at least for me....



my 2 cts.

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I am currently working with an individual that came from a former Soviet republic over 6 years ago. He has a large extended family that relocated with him, as well as a sizeable neighborhood surrounding him of similar ethnic background.



English is his second language, and he is no to good at it. He speaks Russian every day to his wife on the phone, reads russian books, and transposed his job related study assignments into russian to review them.



The language barrier severely limit's his potential, as well as causes production problems at work. At times, his lack of understanding has created safety issues for himself and others around him.



Live in your ethnic world, thats wonderful...but when you work in an english speaking environment, you must speak and understand the damn langauge.
 
My mom is from Germany. She had to learn english on her own and she speaks it very well.



The Hispanics have no excuse not to learn English. We are the stupid ones to bow down to them.





Tom
 
Softscrubb, my wife is an ELL kindergarten teacher. From my experiences in seeing her classroom in action, and talking with her, her students, and their families, I know that some of your comments about ELL are inaccurate.



First of all, the term ESL (English as a second language) was dropped several years ago, replaced with ELL (English language learners). The problem with the old term was the word "second". For many of these kids, English is actually a third, fourth, or higher ordinal language.



Secondly, these classes are not "designed to teach subjects in the 'native' language of students". This would not be possible, seeing that many of these classes have as many different native tongues as there are students in the class. (My wife's two classes alone this past year had 53 students with 18 different native languages.) Instead, these classes teach the students how to speak and read ENGLISH, but at a learning pace that is more rapid than native English speakers.



When someone grows up speaking English at home, they are spending several years of childhood (before ever attending school) learning both the English language and the concepts of sentence structure. (They don't know that they're learning sentence structure--they aren't learning the word 'noun' and 'verb'--but, for example, they are learning the differences between a 'thing' and 'doing something'.) Similarly, kids who grow up speaking some other language learn that language, but they also learn the concepts of sentence structure in that language. ELL classes and teachers therefore work to help the students learn English more quickly, by leveraging the fact that they already have knowledge of sentence structure, and just need to apply that knowledge to English.



ELL teachers rarely know the native tongues of their students. Through working with her students, my wife has learned to count to ten in about half a dozen languages, and has learned several phrases in both Hmong and Somali (the most common native languages in the Twin Cities). But she and her colleagues are teaching nothing to the kids in those languages--everything is centered on English.



People who think that ELL classes are encouraging the use of non-English languages in schools (and elsewhere) could not be more incorrect. For those who feel that English should be the main/only language used in business, schools, and elsewhere in this country, ELL classes are a large part of the solution--not part of the problem.



--Bill Verkuilen
 
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Bill is correct. Often, with these immigrant families, the young children who are within our school systems are the ONLY one in the family that learn the English language. Heck, they are even allowed to bring their child into the voting booth with them to read/translate the documents.



School ELL programs are based on teaching both English and the concepts needed to fufill grade level achievements. Because of these requirements, they are required to be more proficient than say their parents who can go to the local Walmart and converse in Spanish, then go to the bank and converse in Spanish, and so on.



Being a former teacher, I have found that the majority of parents of my Spanish speakers, did not speak, nor attempt to speak in English. Their child was the translator. However, the parents of my "other" language speaking students, most commonly Creole or Tagalog, could at least speak enough to get their point across and understand mine. Why is that? It's because these languages are not as commonly spoken by the general American public. These people are forced to learn English to function. They cannot have their child with them 24/7 as a translator, so they learn. Quite interesting if you ask me.



All it would take is making English as the national language (someone mentioned this earlier) and nationwide effort. Easy right? :lol:
 
joemag said...

when you work in an english speaking environment, you must speak and understand the damn langauge.



It's quite ironic that a comment like this would come from someone who butchered the language so badly in his post...



:D just yankin' your chain! :D
 
I saw a German Shepherd that could bark out " I love you" That dog was great. So there you go, if a dog from Germany can speak English, why can't every one else? These are the questions that keep me up at night.;)
 
I'm encouraging my daughter to learn Spanish. I agree that if people live here, they should learn English, but then REALITY tells me that my daughter will be better suited for a sucessful career if she becomes fluent in a second language. Like it or not, if she becomes a manager, she will be leading people whose native language is not English.



I have traveled overseas, and know first-hand of the advantages of knowing more than one language. The most enlightening experiences I had were in France and Turkey. I am not fluent in either, but having a basic understanding of French and Turkish kept me from getting stuck in a few situations. Plus, people treated me with a more friendly attitude when they knew I was attempting to speak with them in their native language.



Americans aren't as forgiving, because they seem to get irritated when someone doesn't speak fluently in English. We hardly ever deal with foreigners or travel to non-English speaking countries, so we don't understand how hard it is to go to a different country and learn the language and culture as an adult. I know first-hand what it feels like to be illiterate overseas. I can't even spell my name in Hangul (Korean) and know few spoken words. It is very frustrating to live for a year in a country and know that the average toddler has a better grasp of the native language than I did.
 
Had a phone call yesterday from one of many suppliers to our company to inquire about service, quality of materials and such. They must have abandonend there US coustomer support as I thought I was talking to Indira Ghandi possably. I explaned to her to tell her company to call me back when there employees had a better grasp of the english language as I didnt feel like translating or playing word shift until she understood me. Then I simply hung up. I truely loathe forigen tech support it's more of a pain in the ass than a help.
 
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