OT: In Senate Hearing Bill Gates calls for 'infinite' H1-Bs and better schools

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(P.S. Sorry for not making it Off-Topic category, accidental slip posted this while I was still filling out the subject)
 
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LOL...such a double-edged sword. Americans raise hell because all of the oursourcing. Companies stop. Americans raise hell about immigration. The government clamps down. Innovation slows down and operational costs increase, thus raising the price of consumer goods. Americans like to raise hell about that too. I know that's a broad generalization, but it seems to be a trend.



The limit on H1 visas and student visas was put in place after 9/11. I work in the software industry where a large percentage of my coworkers are from India and/or China. The cap is 65,000 and I think half of those work here @ Manhattan (LOL). It may be too soon for the effects to truly be measured in lost innovation and productivity. However, in another three or four years, the lack of accessibility from the business side to quality workers and the lack of access to the education by students will force the brain power to go to another country, robbing of of both talent and revenue. Gates has it right...almost. He already knows we are or soon will be hurting. However, no limits on H1 visas may not be the solution.
 
1. Schools already have the chance to educate people. Just that the combined forces of the government, university professors/textbook authors, and teachers' unions are all about producing compliant little socialist "world citizens" instead of intelligent people who can think for themselves and maybe come up with ideas that the leftists don't like. I've heard audio from the NEA national conference, education and the three R's isn't what they're talking about.



2. If a job pays enough, then more people will be attracted to it. There are not jobs Americans won't do, but there are wages Americans won't work for. That said, work ethic is seriously lacking and getting worse. Article in the WSJ yesterday about the MisterRogers idea having gone too far, producing a narcissistic generation who expects instant gratification and will have trouble with relationships.
 
Scott-SVT,



My question is...why aren't more students pursuing engineering and science degrees?



I don't buy that it is because they are afraid of their jobs getting outsourced. Instead, I think it's just the opposite, the reason we get the H1-Bs is because the native talent just isn't there. Having had to hire engineers and programmers, I can tell you, good ones are very, very hard to find.



TJR
 
The visa issue is keeping those students from coming here as well. Especially the grad students. I know there is a limit on visas for them as well.



My question is...why aren't more students pursuing engineering and science degrees?
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Heck if I know...I think it really boils down to laziness and a poor educational system in the US. You only get out of it what you put into it..that goes both for the state and federal governments and the students. Kids these days are inherently lazy. On top of that, we
produce a narcissistic generation who expects instant gratification
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where these kids want to blast through school and expect to be given a job. Science and enginieering isn't necessarily fun (no knock on anyone..just relates to my lack of mathematical skills). They opt for the fun and easy options such as marketing, management, sociology, psychology, education, and the liberal arts. A lot of good these majors do you no good without ambition and direction. if they don't like a job, they just quit and move back in with mommy and daddy. They have never been told no and have never really had to work for anything. Well, except for a Playstation.



Counter that with the foreign nationals that want the education and want the jobs, and that are willing to pay the dues to get it done.



...rant off. It just makes me so mad that the next generation is a bunch of pansies. I am working hard to make sure my son doesn't end up that way. I have 15 years to get it done.
 
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It just makes me so mad that the next generation is a bunch of pansies. I am working hard to make sure my son doesn't end up that way.
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My son I don't worry about. My daughter....I worry. I figure either the WNBA or flight attendant is her best hope, unless she can marry someone wealthy.:lol:
 
I work for an IT recruiting company. We hire for IBM-Accenture- SAP- Siebel - Oracle, and etc... We have over 400 consultants out billing for us and I can personally say that almost 65% of them are H1's.. quite scary actually..Not to mention these guys are making on average 85-95 bucks an hour, all of their expenses are paid as well.. There is a demand for these skills but the only people learning the skillsets are offshore... I agree with the double edge sword comment...
 
If you're ever interested in contract work shoot me an email Big D...I myself specialize in Abap work but we have roles in all areas..;)
 
Dude, I noticed the other day while watching "To Catch a Predator" that they seem to come in two types: Southern Redneck, or Middle Eastern IT Guy.
 
Now that I'm on the other side of the fence I have been interviewing people for technical design positions. That's a fancy name for a draftsman. We do a lot more than just make drawings so that name doesn't really fit anymore. Anyway, the company has a backlog of orders totaling over $1B and we pay pretty decent wages so you would think people would be knocking down the doors. Ain't happening. And the few that do show up for an interview do not even bring an example of their work. Granted, no one makes manual drawings anymore but it still takes a little talent to make an understandable drawing even with a CAD system. I would be impressed if someone would just pull out a drawing from a school project. Makes me wonder if schools are making the effort to train their students on how to prepare for an interview. :rolleyes:
 
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Makes me wonder if schools are making the effort to train their students on how to prepare for an interview.
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The good schools do. Back before I graduated from RIT in 1989 all tech majors had to take a course called "Effective Technical Communications" which explained to us the importance of keeping a portfolio of your work. We also had to take a 0 credit hour course on "Interviewing Skills", which covered how to write an effective resume, cover letter, how to shake hands, and how to do well in an interview.



TJR
 

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