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OT: Standing Up For What's Right - Against Circuit City and the local Police
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<blockquote data-quote="Rich Stern" data-source="post: 731229" data-attributes="member: 52580"><p>Doesn't matter. They have a burden of providing reasonable suspicion of a crime to the police in order for the police to effect a stop and investigation. Just because you participate in normal, everyday transactions that COULD be twisted for criminal purposes, doesn't make you a criminal, nor does it subject you to being investigated for criminal behavior. The 4th Amendment guarantees you the right to be secure in your person and property, unless certain things happen. Legally buying something and walking out of a store is not one of those things.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Those are tresspass demands relative to their property. My right to own those things does not mean I can take them wherever I like. However, if I happen to be inside the store with one of those store policy prohibited items, I haven't ceded any right of ownership or privacy. All they can do is demand that I leave their property. I walk out with my FU t-shirt and my Weimaraner and I am on my way, having violated no law.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Those are generally by statute, in which case I would be breaking the law and subject to prosecution by the city or state whose statute I violated. That crime would be "Anytown USA v. Rich Stern," not "Circuit City v. Rich Stern."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, these are tresspass issues, not ownership or privacy issues. Even if I violate their policies on these issues, the items I used in violation are not subject to forfeiture.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rich Stern, post: 731229, member: 52580"] Doesn't matter. They have a burden of providing reasonable suspicion of a crime to the police in order for the police to effect a stop and investigation. Just because you participate in normal, everyday transactions that COULD be twisted for criminal purposes, doesn't make you a criminal, nor does it subject you to being investigated for criminal behavior. The 4th Amendment guarantees you the right to be secure in your person and property, unless certain things happen. Legally buying something and walking out of a store is not one of those things. Those are tresspass demands relative to their property. My right to own those things does not mean I can take them wherever I like. However, if I happen to be inside the store with one of those store policy prohibited items, I haven't ceded any right of ownership or privacy. All they can do is demand that I leave their property. I walk out with my FU t-shirt and my Weimaraner and I am on my way, having violated no law. Those are generally by statute, in which case I would be breaking the law and subject to prosecution by the city or state whose statute I violated. That crime would be "Anytown USA v. Rich Stern," not "Circuit City v. Rich Stern." Again, these are tresspass issues, not ownership or privacy issues. Even if I violate their policies on these issues, the items I used in violation are not subject to forfeiture. [/QUOTE]
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