Thomas Rogers
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Click the link below to read a good article that provides a unique perspective on "Why They Hate Us?"
It's a little long, but well worth the read...
It's a little long, but well worth the read...
OT: "Why Do They Hate Us?"
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Johnny O
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While some people in some nations hate us and point to our foreign policy and/or supporting of governments that they don't like (hey, I don't like everything my government does either), I still think that their problem lies more with their own government(s) than with mine. Unfortunately for Americans, we are usually the softer target. .02.
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TomT
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Good read. Our nations foreign policies have always sucked. It was the US that made the Taliban, Osama Bin Laden, Iran, etc. At one time or anaother we pretty much supported all our enemies. When will they learn: what goes around.. comes around.
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I disagree with his conclusions. Reading this, you would think that the US "interferes" with world affairs unilaterally. Nations of the world constantly are asking us to intervene in affairs of other countries -- North Korea, Bosnia, Somolia, Darfur (where I think we should be). They ask this because we are the most powerful nation on earth.
The problem is people have a selective memory. Other countries will remember only the mistakes, the things that didn't work out. They'll also forget that they asked or supported us to do it. Support of people that are now our enemies is a prime example. On the other side of that coin, Americans often only remember the good that we do, the things that did work -- WWII for example. This creates a big juxtaposition between Americans and people in other countries.
Frankly, I don't care if you hate us, just don't try to kill us. Then it is time to put a boot in your a$$.
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The problem is people have a selective memory. Other countries will remember only the mistakes, the things that didn't work out. They'll also forget that they asked or supported us to do it. Support of people that are now our enemies is a prime example. On the other side of that coin, Americans often only remember the good that we do, the things that did work -- WWII for example. This creates a big juxtaposition between Americans and people in other countries.
Frankly, I don't care if you hate us, just don't try to kill us. Then it is time to put a boot in your a$$.
Rocks
Thomas Rogers
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MTURocks, I'm not sure how you can disagree with the conclusions. The author has a unique perspective and indicates it is a combination of jealousy and on the receiving end foreign policy that has made many in the ME "hate us."
Sure, we could be and are asked to do more, in other countries, but that's somewhat of a moot point. The fact of the matter is that we have pursued our own special interests in the Middle East for over 50 years, propping up one regime after the other, and not really followed through on any of it when things got sticky and/or once our interests were secured/optimized.
Thus, we don't interfere unilaterally and it was never attempted in the article to say we do. It's not even the interference that I think the author finds issue with, but moreso the general turmoil that is generated by us furthering our interests and in the process making things much worse, and not the least bit better for them...not in the short term either, but in the long-term (worse for decades).
TJR
Sure, we could be and are asked to do more, in other countries, but that's somewhat of a moot point. The fact of the matter is that we have pursued our own special interests in the Middle East for over 50 years, propping up one regime after the other, and not really followed through on any of it when things got sticky and/or once our interests were secured/optimized.
Thus, we don't interfere unilaterally and it was never attempted in the article to say we do. It's not even the interference that I think the author finds issue with, but moreso the general turmoil that is generated by us furthering our interests and in the process making things much worse, and not the least bit better for them...not in the short term either, but in the long-term (worse for decades).
TJR
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Mark Grumpy
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MTU,
you just supported what the author said - we don't see our own errors but we do see what we think we did right. You even gave an example of World War 2, suggesting that that was our idea. Wrong. US entered that particular war 3 years after it started and then only in retaliation.
I do however disagree in so much that it is not just the US. Great Britain, my homeland, needs to be included. They did "own" that entire part of the world until the mid to latter parts of the last century.
you just supported what the author said - we don't see our own errors but we do see what we think we did right. You even gave an example of World War 2, suggesting that that was our idea. Wrong. US entered that particular war 3 years after it started and then only in retaliation.
I do however disagree in so much that it is not just the US. Great Britain, my homeland, needs to be included. They did "own" that entire part of the world until the mid to latter parts of the last century.
Gavin Allan
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They may not like us, but they sure like our money and protection...
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TJR,
I disagee with your assertion that the article doesn't imply that we do thing unilaterally -- I think it does.
Grumpy -- I'm not suggesting that WWII was the US's idea. Far from it, we dragged our feet and got into that when forced by Japan. What I am saying is our action in WWII is generally held up by people in the US as one of the examples of why the US is a great because we took at stand against tyranny (and I agree with them.) The "Greatest Generation" is a prime example. I am sure that there are others elsewhere who don't hold up what we did in WWII in as high of exteem.
I disagee with your assertion that the article doesn't imply that we do thing unilaterally -- I think it does.
Grumpy -- I'm not suggesting that WWII was the US's idea. Far from it, we dragged our feet and got into that when forced by Japan. What I am saying is our action in WWII is generally held up by people in the US as one of the examples of why the US is a great because we took at stand against tyranny (and I agree with them.) The "Greatest Generation" is a prime example. I am sure that there are others elsewhere who don't hold up what we did in WWII in as high of exteem.
I bet one group of them are Japanese.
Tom
