Nelson Atwell
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Anyone surprised about this?
Texas halts public intoxication stings in bars
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Stephane Bolduc
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I think we all saw it coming.... And this is coming from the state where you will find the most drive-thru liquor store...
TomT
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Yipee. I'm going out for drinks after work! 
The TABC is run by a bunch of neo-nazis and more then likely they're cases were getting thrown out of court which is why they have haulted the program.
The TABC is run by a bunch of neo-nazis and more then likely they're cases were getting thrown out of court which is why they have haulted the program.
That story was on the local news here (Waco, TX)
The whole issue was instigated by a woman in Dallas who whas arrested for PI at a hotel bar where she was staying. That created the impression to some Texas politicians that the police may have been a bit too gung-ho. The operation has been halted, pending an investigation to insure that the Police did not over-step their authority.
The same news article stated that most citizens in Texas agreed with the PI crackdown and there were no complaints regarding the arrests made in the central Texas area including Austin, Waco, Temple and Killeen Texas. I'm sure there were some complaints from Bar owners but the ones who appeared on TV supported the TABC/police actions although business at many bars has dropped.since the PI arrests.
All the complaints are related to the single arrest of the woman at a hotel bar in Dallas. I have not hear about any complaints from anyone elsewhere in the state. Perhaps that is because more bars (30) raided where in Dallas. The police also indicated that the majority of the bars included in the crackdown where known trouble spots.
All the politicians agree that the police followed the letter of the law. They are only calling for an investigation to determine if the police were over-zealous in making some arrest.
The halt in the PI arrests in bars is only temporary and gives the officials time to evaluated the actions of the police, and also to analize the statistic to determine the impact of these actions on alcohol related incidents and DWI arrest.
I beleive that the PI arrests in Bars will continue. The police may have certain additioanl restriction imposed on them to insure there are no questionable arrests. I also think that these crackdowns will be smaller and more sporatic.
...Rich
The whole issue was instigated by a woman in Dallas who whas arrested for PI at a hotel bar where she was staying. That created the impression to some Texas politicians that the police may have been a bit too gung-ho. The operation has been halted, pending an investigation to insure that the Police did not over-step their authority.
The same news article stated that most citizens in Texas agreed with the PI crackdown and there were no complaints regarding the arrests made in the central Texas area including Austin, Waco, Temple and Killeen Texas. I'm sure there were some complaints from Bar owners but the ones who appeared on TV supported the TABC/police actions although business at many bars has dropped.since the PI arrests.
All the complaints are related to the single arrest of the woman at a hotel bar in Dallas. I have not hear about any complaints from anyone elsewhere in the state. Perhaps that is because more bars (30) raided where in Dallas. The police also indicated that the majority of the bars included in the crackdown where known trouble spots.
All the politicians agree that the police followed the letter of the law. They are only calling for an investigation to determine if the police were over-zealous in making some arrest.
The halt in the PI arrests in bars is only temporary and gives the officials time to evaluated the actions of the police, and also to analize the statistic to determine the impact of these actions on alcohol related incidents and DWI arrest.
I beleive that the PI arrests in Bars will continue. The police may have certain additioanl restriction imposed on them to insure there are no questionable arrests. I also think that these crackdowns will be smaller and more sporatic.
...Rich
Mark Grumpy
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Rich,
you must have read a different article. Maybe a more PC version for the Koresh'd of Waco. There is a different version on CNN (linked) which quotes a bar owner from El Paso:
Seems like Gestapo tactics, not TABC. And you keep forgetting, these are not police officers nor, as you say are "ALL the complaints are related to the single arrest..."
If it were cops, and one or two of 'em, I don't think there would be so much of a problem.
grump
you must have read a different article. Maybe a more PC version for the Koresh'd of Waco. There is a different version on CNN (linked) which quotes a bar owner from El Paso:
Seems like Gestapo tactics, not TABC. And you keep forgetting, these are not police officers nor, as you say are "ALL the complaints are related to the single arrest..."
If it were cops, and one or two of 'em, I don't think there would be so much of a problem.
grump
EddieS'04
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I dont drink but IMO, I think the police should limit PI and DUI to the parking lot of the bar. Not every bar hopper intended to get drunk. Some might have came by taxi or a dedicated driver. You never know which drinker has enough sense to quit and sobber up before leaving. Sort of, like being on a police hit list because someone else in your family is a criminal...
Roy Smith
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can't get drunk in a bar? kinda like fishing without a hook or bait!!! takes the fun out of it,i mean you can't even pick a good fight!!!:huh:
grumpy,
Read read my post. I did not say there were no complaints from bar owners. In fact I said that i'm sure there were some. Perhaps that guy in El Paso was the one.
I'm sorry but I don't consider CNN an unbiased news source. They are way too far to the left for me. The new reports was on local TV and they interviews with local police who claimed there no accusations filed against any police making PI arrest in the central texas area. The complaints I'm talking about are from people who were arrested or ticketed, not from bar owners or people who just heard the news report and decided they didn't like the sound of it.
The new reports here state that the accusations of possible abuse of police power stem from the lady in Dallas who was arrested in the bar at the hotel where she was staying. No other incidents of police wrong-doing have surfaced. The politicians and much of the people who are objecting to police making PI arrest in bars can only site that one Dallas incident. That is the main reason why the politicians are calling for an investication into the conduct of the police.
None of the news brodcast have shown any other person arrested for PI filing a formal complaint of police misconduct. Even the politicians who are calling for a review of the police tactics and procedures in these PI arrest have stated that the arrest are legal as long as there was no abuse of power on the part of the police.
One complaint out of 1700 arrests would appear that many news medias like CNN are blowing things way out of proportion.
As I previously said, most of the bars targeted by the police and TABC where frequent trouble spots. Many of those bars were also being targeted for another law forbiding a bartender to serve alcohol to an obviously intoxicated person. The police and the TABC acknowledged that that did not appear t o be a major problem in the majority of the bars under observation by the police.
PS. If the police came into Tony Cisneros' bar ain full force and blocked the entrance, that is still only his perception and does not necessarily constitute abuse of police power. Now you juspt to conclusions and imply that the police used Gestapo tactics. The police are innocent until proven guilty just like the people arrested for PI. Until the investigation is over, we should stop jumping to conclusions.
...Rich
Read read my post. I did not say there were no complaints from bar owners. In fact I said that i'm sure there were some. Perhaps that guy in El Paso was the one.
I'm sorry but I don't consider CNN an unbiased news source. They are way too far to the left for me. The new reports was on local TV and they interviews with local police who claimed there no accusations filed against any police making PI arrest in the central texas area. The complaints I'm talking about are from people who were arrested or ticketed, not from bar owners or people who just heard the news report and decided they didn't like the sound of it.
The new reports here state that the accusations of possible abuse of police power stem from the lady in Dallas who was arrested in the bar at the hotel where she was staying. No other incidents of police wrong-doing have surfaced. The politicians and much of the people who are objecting to police making PI arrest in bars can only site that one Dallas incident. That is the main reason why the politicians are calling for an investication into the conduct of the police.
None of the news brodcast have shown any other person arrested for PI filing a formal complaint of police misconduct. Even the politicians who are calling for a review of the police tactics and procedures in these PI arrest have stated that the arrest are legal as long as there was no abuse of power on the part of the police.
One complaint out of 1700 arrests would appear that many news medias like CNN are blowing things way out of proportion.
As I previously said, most of the bars targeted by the police and TABC where frequent trouble spots. Many of those bars were also being targeted for another law forbiding a bartender to serve alcohol to an obviously intoxicated person. The police and the TABC acknowledged that that did not appear t o be a major problem in the majority of the bars under observation by the police.
PS. If the police came into Tony Cisneros' bar ain full force and blocked the entrance, that is still only his perception and does not necessarily constitute abuse of police power. Now you juspt to conclusions and imply that the police used Gestapo tactics. The police are innocent until proven guilty just like the people arrested for PI. Until the investigation is over, we should stop jumping to conclusions.
...Rich
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Nelson Atwell
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Are they saying these people were drunk before arriving at the bars then? :unsure:
Nelson,
No they are not saying that. They are only saying that serving alcohol to an obviously intoxicated person is against the law, and the bartenders and management are well aware of that law. If a person appears to be obviosly intoxicated it makes no difference if they got drunk in the bar or stumbled in the door because another bar stopped serving them.
...Rich
No they are not saying that. They are only saying that serving alcohol to an obviously intoxicated person is against the law, and the bartenders and management are well aware of that law. If a person appears to be obviosly intoxicated it makes no difference if they got drunk in the bar or stumbled in the door because another bar stopped serving them.
...Rich
Mike Wilson
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To quote a "Good Ole' Boy" from Dallas, TX.:
I was arrested for "Drunk....In....Public....."
I was not "Drunk.....In.....Public......"
They "F_____ing" "Threw me out in Public!!!"...
I was Drunk in a Bar!!!
Two Brownie Points for anyone who can tell me the name of this famous philosopher/
comedian???
I was arrested for "Drunk....In....Public....."
I was not "Drunk.....In.....Public......"
They "F_____ing" "Threw me out in Public!!!"...
I was Drunk in a Bar!!!
Two Brownie Points for anyone who can tell me the name of this famous philosopher/
comedian???
TRACket Paul
Well-Known Member
Kinky Friedman
Mike Wilson
Well-Known Member
Sorry, Scooter,
Our prize has to carry over to the next contestant.
The correct answer was Ron White, off of the " Blue Collar Comedy Tour, 2004 (TM)."
Our prize has to carry over to the next contestant.
The correct answer was Ron White, off of the " Blue Collar Comedy Tour, 2004 (TM)."
Thomas Rogers
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The most interesting thing about the msnbc article is it says the TABC has been doing this sort of sting since 2001.
Arrest the bartender fror serving a drunk person.
Tom
Tom
Jeffrey Travis
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I believe this whole crackdown was instigated by 'the people'.
What people? The people who were waking up with coyote ugly people the morning after and wanted to find a way to protect themselves.
JT#14
p.s. Ron White = Tater Salad
What people? The people who were waking up with coyote ugly people the morning after and wanted to find a way to protect themselves.
JT#14
p.s. Ron White = Tater Salad
