Alabama's New Governor - Another "Accepting Christian?"

[Thomas Rogers]

Maybe it's time to add some chlorine to the gene pool of all states that start with the letter "A".



Arkansas, watch out...you're next!

 

[H D]

This is not news. He was speaking to a Christian congregation and speaking of the brotherhoood of Christ. Why would it be shocking if a Christian does not consider non-Christians as his brothers and sisters in Christ? This is not a political matter, IMO. Just another attack on scary Christians and their attempt to run your life.:banghead:

 

[Thomas Rogers]

Hugh,



That's funny, the Associated Press thinks it is news. The Birmingham News thought it was news.



Spin it all you want, but this seems to me to be another divisive political "leader" pandering to his base.



BTW, he didn't say: "...my brothers and sisters in-Christ." He said: "...my brothers and sisters (period)." Had he added the qualifier I would have no real issue with what he said.



I am a firm believer in "mean what you say", "say what you mean".



TJR

 

[H D]

No need to qualify that statement when he is in a church. When a black leader is in a black conference and mentions his brothers and sisters, do you prefer to know whether he is including your or not, or do you just assume he means his black brothers and sisters? Context provides all the information you need.



Political correctness is ridiculous. I'd rather politicians be honest; then I can know where their values align or divert from my own. Let Alabamans worry about whether he represents their beliefs or not. This is Alabama's decision and should not be held up to the values of California, New York, or North Dakota. There is not one value system for all of America. If a predominantly Christian state such as Alabama wants a Christian governor, that is their choice. It is democracy in action. California gets to choose their hippies, Alabama gets to choose their Bible-thumpers. They get to even each other out as our representative democracy intends.

 

[Bo Loo]

At least I know why it snows now...

 

[H D]

Oh, let's connect these two men. That'll weaken his credibility as governor. It'll also make all Christians look crazy. Nobody has been taking Pat Robertson seriously for years. Good try.

 

[Les]

Explaining his theory, Robertson said, "Because of the bad road conditions the Almighty has made, any gay activities that people were planning on doing will have to be postponed by a day or two."__ Additionally, he argued, God shut down major airports in the New York area "so that people who were hoping to fly to do something of a gay nature would have to take a train or a bus, so it might be days before the gay thing they were going to do could occur."__

Didn't know all you New Yorkers were gay...:grin:

 

[Frank screwyourednecks]

 

[Frank screwyourednecks]

Church and state. Seperate since the beginning folks. The very first thing after the bill of rights was written- The first ammendment . Freedom of speech, and the freedom FROM religion. Church and state SHALL be seperate. Word it any way you want... thats what it means. So the governor of alabammie needs to serve THE people of alabammie and not "his" people. Yes this is newsworthy. He shot off his mouth and he is a public figure. Too bad there are cameras now, capturing all the stupid things politicians say.

 

[H D]

How has he made a policy decision based on his religion? I've waited for answers from Frank before, so I know how this goes.

 

[H D]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

Which law has been made?

 

[EddieS'04]

This thread is silly. Im a believer in Jesus Christ. I call other Christians my brothers and sisters. So does other religions call, those in their faith brothers and sisters.



I call those on this site my brothers and sisters for another reason. Despite their belief or faith or lack of.



I treat all the same. If you need my help, you got it, if I can.. I make no hold back towards race, color, creed or faith. If anything all mankind is my brothers and sisters.

There maybe reasons I refuse to help you. Not for any reasons above though.



Peace and blessings

 

[H D]

My thoughts exactly Eddie. I wish I had put it that way.

 

[TrainTrac]

freedom FROM religion. Church and state SHALL be seperate. Word it any way you want... thats what it means.

Once again, you show your ignorance regarding the Constitution, and the Founding Fathers' intentions when drafting it.



The sole purpose of the Constitution was to outline the limited powers granted to the Federal gov't by the people. The states were free to do whatever they chose with regard to an official state religion. That's why, as Hugh stated earlier, the 1st Amendment says

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

And the reason that was included in the 1st Amendment was to prevent the Federal gov't from declaring any one religion/denomination to be the official state religion, like the Church of England. At the time that the Constitution was drafted & ratified, many of the original 13 colonies had their own official state religions.



As for "freedom FROM religion", that's ridiculous too. No one in this country is forced by gov't to adhere to or practice any given religion. We're free to not practice any religion at all if we so choose.



In my opinion, the whole "church and state SHALL be separate" and "wall of separation" thing has been immensely twisted to mean something vastly differently than what Jefferson actually intended to convey in his 1802 letter to Baptist Association of Danbury, and also by the Supreme Court in cases like Reynolds v. United States (1879), Everson v. Board of Education (1947) and McCollum v. Board of Education (1948).



<A HREF="http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2006/06/the-mythical-wall-of-separation-how-a-misused-metaphor-changed-church-state-law-policy-and-discourse">The Mythical "Wall of Separation": How a Misused Metaphor Changed Church-State Law, Policy, and Discourse</A>

 

[Mark K 2]

This story made the local news up here in Wisconsin. Had a bit of a discrimination and holy roller spin to it.

 

[Tom Schindler]

Fallow Americans are not brothers. We are all cousins. We share the same uncle.



His name is "Uncle Sam". :banana:





Tom

 

[H D]

His name is "Uncle Sam".

And he's always drunk, makes me sit on his lap, and takes all my candy.



Frank makes ridiculous statements and runs away...again.

 

[Thomas Rogers]

Hugh,



At least you had candy. My uncle used to always promise me candy if I sat on his lap, but I never got the candy.



(jk)



Which reminds me of the pilot episode of "Bob's Burgers" and the burger of the day...



BTW, I love Caymen's freudian slip. Yes, I am one American that is felling a little "plowed and left unseeded" by my govt.



TJR

 

[Frank screwyourednecks]

Hugh> My statement is 100 percent fact son! As far as me answering you. You have to pose a question that makes sense. Then I will answer it.

 

[H D]

Your statement is 100% inaccurate. I'm sorry, but there is no freedom "from" religion. I suggest you actually read the First Amendment. I've spent more hours than you could imagine in this matter and know our Constitution, Bill of Rights, and relevant Supreme Court cases very well.

How has he made a policy decision based on his religion?

I'm not sure that question can be stated any more clearly. Is it the "policy decision" part that confuses you? I guess if I tried to use an elementary description, a policy decision would be a formal act he engages in as an elected official. Does this question confuse anyone else, or am I really not stating it clearly enough? Or, could anyone else phrase it better?



My father is usually the only one that calls me son, but thanks for the affection.