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Thomas Rogers
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I submit that a majority of (not overwhelming, but a majority nonetheless) most people on their daily trips and commutes could deal with a 100 mile ranging electric vehicle.
It will get better and expect recharging spaces that take credit cards at various public parking garages and lots (if it were to catch on).
Tom
It will get better and expect recharging spaces that take credit cards at various public parking garages and lots (if it were to catch on).
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I drove the all electric EVranger for about 1 hour with a local for mechanic, was a cool ride, But 150 miles before it needed a 24 hour recharge....
This was back in 2001....
Todd Z
This was back in 2001....
Todd Z
TJR,
I disagree that most people would find the 100 mile range acceptable. Pure elective vehicles are rated for miles per charge based on city driving at speeds of 30 MPH or less.
The real problem is that many of the people who work in the city and use their own vehicle to commute live outside of the city's transportation network and drive distances that might not be satisfied with a vehicle with only a 100 mile range. People who live in the city, suburbs or within the city's mass transmportation system will find it much cheaper to take a bus or train. This only appears to be well established in only the largest cities in the nation.
The real problem with mass transit systems is that people have gotten used to going where ever they want, when they want. That can only be done with a privately owned vehicle.
The ability to charge your electric vehicle at a parking lot, etc is obvioulsy the way to go, however there does not appear to be a standardized electical receptical for electric vehicles. Also, until there is enough electric vehicles around, there is not much incentive to build these recharging stations into parking lots.
Also, how many times have you gone to work, and then had a personal or business emergency that required you to drive back home or some other location and that required you to stop and buy gas to make that trip. If you park and start to charge your vehicle and then have to make an unplanned trip, your vehicle may not have charged long enough to give your the needed power to make that trip. It may take 6-8 hours or more to fully charge your batteries.
So the fact that you cannot fully charge an electric car in 5 minutes is a major drawback the really resticts the owners ability to just gas up an go. I think you will see a lot more electric vehicles with dead batteries than you see vehicles that ran out of gas.
Hydrogen powered vehicles can convert hydrogen to electicity via a reverse-distilation process and allows them to fuel up with hydrogen in 5 minutes just like a conventional gasoling/diesel powered vehicle.
...Rich
I disagree that most people would find the 100 mile range acceptable. Pure elective vehicles are rated for miles per charge based on city driving at speeds of 30 MPH or less.
The real problem is that many of the people who work in the city and use their own vehicle to commute live outside of the city's transportation network and drive distances that might not be satisfied with a vehicle with only a 100 mile range. People who live in the city, suburbs or within the city's mass transmportation system will find it much cheaper to take a bus or train. This only appears to be well established in only the largest cities in the nation.
The real problem with mass transit systems is that people have gotten used to going where ever they want, when they want. That can only be done with a privately owned vehicle.
The ability to charge your electric vehicle at a parking lot, etc is obvioulsy the way to go, however there does not appear to be a standardized electical receptical for electric vehicles. Also, until there is enough electric vehicles around, there is not much incentive to build these recharging stations into parking lots.
Also, how many times have you gone to work, and then had a personal or business emergency that required you to drive back home or some other location and that required you to stop and buy gas to make that trip. If you park and start to charge your vehicle and then have to make an unplanned trip, your vehicle may not have charged long enough to give your the needed power to make that trip. It may take 6-8 hours or more to fully charge your batteries.
So the fact that you cannot fully charge an electric car in 5 minutes is a major drawback the really resticts the owners ability to just gas up an go. I think you will see a lot more electric vehicles with dead batteries than you see vehicles that ran out of gas.
Hydrogen powered vehicles can convert hydrogen to electicity via a reverse-distilation process and allows them to fuel up with hydrogen in 5 minutes just like a conventional gasoling/diesel powered vehicle.
...Rich
TJR,
I don't disagree at all that many people could handle a 100-mile daily commute. But at $65K, how many people are going to buy the argument that they have to own a second vehicle, or drop cash to rent one, for even a short road trip?
Buy a basic Ranger as your truck AND a Civic for gas mileage, and you're still $20,000 shy of $65K.
Obviously, there are environmental benefits to the electric route, but I don't think people will make the switch en masse until the cost of doing so is made more manageable.
I don't disagree at all that many people could handle a 100-mile daily commute. But at $65K, how many people are going to buy the argument that they have to own a second vehicle, or drop cash to rent one, for even a short road trip?
Buy a basic Ranger as your truck AND a Civic for gas mileage, and you're still $20,000 shy of $65K.
Obviously, there are environmental benefits to the electric route, but I don't think people will make the switch en masse until the cost of doing so is made more manageable.
Thomas Rogers
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RichardL...I said a majority, and not an overwhelming one, and I stand by that guess-timate.
I think if polled, the average commute of all people in the US that commute would be significantly less than 100 miles RT, per day. And if significantly less, then my hypothesis stands.
Another way to look at it is 100 miles per charge, and assuming a charge per day for a commuter car means (5 days per week, 50 weeks a year) means 25K miles per year driven commuting.
A majority of the people in this country that commute don't commute that much...not even close.
Sure, there are exceptions and yes, mid-day trips can throw a kink into things, but I still think a majority (not most, but a majority...say more something over 50%) of the commuters out there could be well served by such a vehicle.
TJR
I think if polled, the average commute of all people in the US that commute would be significantly less than 100 miles RT, per day. And if significantly less, then my hypothesis stands.
Another way to look at it is 100 miles per charge, and assuming a charge per day for a commuter car means (5 days per week, 50 weeks a year) means 25K miles per year driven commuting.
A majority of the people in this country that commute don't commute that much...not even close.
Sure, there are exceptions and yes, mid-day trips can throw a kink into things, but I still think a majority (not most, but a majority...say more something over 50%) of the commuters out there could be well served by such a vehicle.
TJR
Mark Santini
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I agree with TJR,,,,,,,,,,,,alright, nuff said.
TJR,
All the statistics indicate that people are commuting longer distances than ever, and the distance is increasing. There are more people communing a lot further than you may imagine. Especially in the western states like Texas. I know I work with people that commute 40-50 miles or more to work each day. That's only possible when you have a lot of open highway that people can travel at 60-70 MPH. Mbost electric cars will not give you 100 miles per charge at those speeds.
I don't think you will see many electric cars in use in the US until they either extend the mileage range to at least to 200+ miles per charge, or develop hydrogen to electric powered vehicles.
Electric cars are great if you already live in the city, but the cost of the vehicle, plus insurance and parking would make public mas transit a more economical alternative.
...Rich
All the statistics indicate that people are commuting longer distances than ever, and the distance is increasing. There are more people communing a lot further than you may imagine. Especially in the western states like Texas. I know I work with people that commute 40-50 miles or more to work each day. That's only possible when you have a lot of open highway that people can travel at 60-70 MPH. Mbost electric cars will not give you 100 miles per charge at those speeds.
I don't think you will see many electric cars in use in the US until they either extend the mileage range to at least to 200+ miles per charge, or develop hydrogen to electric powered vehicles.
Electric cars are great if you already live in the city, but the cost of the vehicle, plus insurance and parking would make public mas transit a more economical alternative.
...Rich
