BCS rankings are totally screwed up???

[Richard L]

If you look at the latest BCS rankings compared to the Coaches Poll, AP Poll, and the CBS Poll you would think that the BCS committee is watching different games then we the public are seeing???



They all agree on the first 4 team rankings and then everything goes crazy???:banghead:



1. Alabama has two losses and yet they are ranked higher than LSU who just beat them?

2. Why is Utah even on the list?? and they just lost as well??

3 While I agree that Boise State has had a very good team for the last 3 years do they really deserve to be ranked that high when they don't play any high ranked teams like LSU, Auburn, Nebraska, Ohio State, TCU, etc.



Here is a link to the various polls to show you how far out of touch that the BCS poll is:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/rankings



...Rich

 

[Les]

Completely agree...

 

[ray moyer]

and y doesnt boise deserve their spot?



auburn sure doesnt need to be 1



and so you know they played TCU and BEAT THEM



boise should be ranked number 1



they have the longest winning streak in the NCAA and beat EVERY TEAM they play



that is such a BS excuse oh they dont play anyone, really?



read more on Boise State before making that remark

 

[Les]

Some things have changed since yesterday. Alabama in now ranked 12th and Utah is 14th.

boise should be ranked number 1



they have the longest winning streak in the NCAA and beat EVERY TEAM they play



that is such a BS excuse oh they dont play anyone, really?



read more on Boise State before making that remark

Get real reaper, Boise has to play the big boys before they can be considered one. Playing Toledo, San Jose State and Louisana Tech is not very impressive. Playing such a soft schedule will never allow them to climb to the top. Having the longest winning streak doesn't make you good, just means you beat up a bunch of unranked schools. Big deal.

 

[Richard L]

Les,

Yes. When I looked at the BCS rankings yesterday evening, I did not realize that they had not yet posted the new standings which were posted about and hour after I saw them. Argueably they have made the proper adjustments for Alabama and Utah, etc and although we may not all agree, they are much closer to reality than they were.



As for Boise State...I agree that they have a had a great team for the past 3-4 years, but the BCS rankings are supposed to consider the strength of your opponents and that's were Boise State would seem to be deficient. They don't play agains any of the perenial top 10 ranked teams.



All of this Boise State fever started back 3 years ago when they went the whole season undefeated but did not get ranked higher than teams who had one or two losses. Until they play against ranked teams like LSU, Auburn, Ohio State, and Oregon and win, then they are just a good team with a weak schedule. Many other teams could have that winning streak record if they played Boise State's schedule.



...Rich

 

[ray moyer]

this article says it all



http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=5725597

 

[Les]

this article says it all

The article is just another opinion that completely disregards the fact that Boise will not go head-to-head with good, ranked teams. Alabama would be undefeated if they played Boise and there schedule. Ohio State would make cheese out of Boise. Being undefeated means nothing if you only play the girls team.

 

[ray moyer]

um i think Bama and Ohio both showed that any team can be beat and any team can beat any other when they both lost to who? some no body schools just like Boise so you logic is flawed... go figure no surprise there

 

[Les]

reaper, you have no clue. Alabama lost to South Carolina and LSU, Ohio State lost to Wisconsin, all ranked teams. Boise has only played one ranked team their entire season. Just as I said before, until Boise stops playing the girls teams, they will get no respect, and don't deserve it.

 

[ray moyer]

if u say so, dont be mad when boise get to another BCS game and WINS...AGAIN



Oklahoma and TCU down whoever wants to lose next

Boise State plays -- and beats -- whoever they throw at it. It thumped San Jose State 48-0. Wisconsin, which beat No. 1 Ohio State and No. 15 Iowa, only beat SJSU by 13, at home!



Boise State smashed Wyoming 51-6. Wyoming nearly beat Air Force and Air Force nearly beat Oklahoma. You're telling me Boise State couldn't beat OU? Oh, wait. It already did.



Boise State whipped Virginia Tech on the road. VT is undefeated in the ACC. Are you telling me Boise State wouldn't be carving up the ACC?

people like you are the ones who are scared of a playoff setup in the NCAA because yall are scared that "no name/small" school will take the championships

 

[Les]

people like you are the ones who are scared of a playoff setup in the NCAA because yall are scared that "no name/small" school will take the championships

A playoff system would be perfect for Boise. They would be eliminated early...

 

[ray moyer]

if you say so, but u still have presented nothing to back up anything you say...



all you have done is state that "boise plays no one"



ok, but everyone says that and when they do play a "big team" what happens?



let me help you, go ask Oklahoma and TCU and VT

 

[Bill V]

Get real reaper, Boise has to play the big boys before they can be considered one. Playing Toledo, San Jose State and Louisana Tech is not very impressive. Playing such a soft schedule will never allow them to climb to the top. Having the longest winning streak doesn't make you good, just means you beat up a bunch of unranked schools. Big deal.

Hate to burst your bubble, but according to CBSSports.com's ranking system, Boise State (64th toughest) has played a tougher schedule than Oregon (83rd), and roughly equal to TCU's (55th). If you want to dismiss a team for having a weak schedule, be sure to give TCU and the Ducks the heave-ho too. Let's face it, with all the discussions about who teams are playing, the difference between the schedules of these three teams isn't quality, but name/reputation. Boise State deserves to be in the BSC Championship as much as (if not more than) Oregon or TCU...



Besides, why punish the Boise State team members for the ineptitude of the other teams in their conference? It's not their fault that those schools insist on putting a low-quality product on the field.

Ohio State would make cheese out of Boise. Being undefeated means nothing if you only play the girls team.

Les, it's interesting that you would choose Ohio State to use as an example of a supposedly better team based on your belief that they have a stronger schedule--as the Buckeyes' strength of schedule (67th) is lower than Boise State's. Again, don't just assume that because a team plays in the Big 10, Pac 10, Big 12, etc., that they must be playing tougher teams...

 

[ray moyer]

THANK YOU!

 

[Richard L]

Bill V,

I don't think anyone is taking anything away from the Boise State players. They have an excellent team, but they do not play many if any of the top ranked teams. The CBSsports poll on team strength is not necessarily an indicator of how good a team is nor is the BCS

Rankings. Any team can beat any other team on any given Saturday.



As for Ohio State, almost all of the Big 10 teams they play against play them very tough. Teams like Wisconsin, and Illinois may not be ranked but have seen Ohio State so often that they know the personality of the team and build a good game plan to defeat the Buckeyes.



I'm not even saying that Ohio State, Auburn or LSU would beat Boise State, but we just don't know until they start playing some of these perinial top ranked teams. I would just love to see Boise State play two or three of the top ranked team each year and see if they can maintain their 3 place ranking in the BCS? If they win then they deserve to be there.



...Rich

 

[Les]

It would appear strength-of-schedule plays very little in the rankings. If it did, Auburn with 10 wins with SOS = 5, is better than Oregon with 9 wins with SOS = 83. Also, LSU is ranked below Wisconsin and Nebraska with a SOS = 1 with the same amount of wins and 1 loss. If you are only interested in wins and losses, its very likely the best team with a loss will remain below undefeated teams playing weak schedules.

 

[Bill V]

The CBSsports poll on team strength is not necessarily an indicator of how good a team is nor is the BCS Rankings.

True--but it would seem that it is a pretty good indicator of how strong the teams you are playing are, and that is the main argument people make for saying that Boise State shouldn't be in the championship mix. And as the numbers show, Boise State's so-called strength of schedule deficit is more myth than reality.

 

[Richard L]

Bill V,

You made some very good points and for the most part I agree.



That's why I refer to the powerhouse teams as the "Perinial Top Ranked Teams". These are the same teams who almost year after year are in the top 10 ranked teams. Yes, teams will occasionally have a good year or a bad year based on injuries and the number of returning seniors and number of good players in key positions.



Those are the kinds of teams that Boise State needs to play a few games against every year before they can get respect and a shot at the BCS Championship game. I think that is the only reason why they are not number one in the BCS poll now.



...Rich

 

[Les]

Out of 4 undefeated teams, Oregon is ranked #1, and has the lowest SOS. Shows you SOS means little or nothing. Boise is probably ranked fourth since they only have 8 wins vs 9 by Oregon and 10 by TCU and Auburn. Auburn with 10 wins and lowest SOS should be #1 at this time.

 

[Bill V]

That's why I refer to the powerhouse teams as the "Perinial Top Ranked Teams". These are the same teams who almost year after year are in the top 10 ranked teams. Yes, teams will occasionally have a good year or a bad year based on injuries and the number of returning seniors and number of good players in key positions.



Those are the kinds of teams that Boise State needs to play a few games against every year before they can get respect and a shot at the BCS Championship game. I think that is the only reason why they are not number one in the BCS poll now.

I understand your point--but I would respond with these counterpoints--



--Boise State did play Virginia Tech (then #10) and Oregon State (then #24) in their non-conference schedule. Compare that to the type of teams that most (although admittedly not all) so-called "power conference" teams put on their non-conference schedule. Yes, they did also play Wyoming--which is likely a case of bowing to regional/traditional rivalries. And yes, there was Toledo. But they did get two top-25 teams, which is more than most can say.

--The rest of their games are dictated by conference affiliation. Not their fault that they play them--just like it's not Ohio State's fault that they play cupcakes like Minnesota.

--They can't play the kind of teams you're talking about, unless those teams agree to play them. All teams have limited space for non-conference games, and most of the so-called "power conference" teams also have regional rivalry games they need to schedule. And frankly, in the spaces they have left, many would rather have a couple I-AA cupcakes on their schedule to have a "relax week" than play a powerhouse from the opposite end of the country.



You indicate that the issue is that they're not playing those types of teams. I say the issue is just the opposite--that those types of teams aren't playing them. Until the Broncos lose a game, the real national championship this year goes through Boise. If any of the other teams want a shot at it, fine--I'm sure the Broncos are willing to take on all challengers, at any location. But until those teams have the guts to do so, they're just wannabes.



As Rick Flair would frequently say, To be The Man, you have to beat The Man. And right now, in NCAA football, Boise State is The Man.



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