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Woppy V

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I went to a muffler shop today to upgrade the Trac's exhaust from the stock pipes to 2.5in all around. We put it up on the lift and while I was explaining what I wanted I put my hand on the driveshaft for support... To my suprise it had a noticeable wiggle... I looked closer at it and BEHOLD the four bolts connecting it to the tranny were screwed only a quarter of the way in! Seeing as how I just had Ford replace the transfer case gasket I am assuming they forgot to tighten these... ~~~ I am now on the hunt to have them reimburse me for this ~~~ Not to mention... the transfer case still looks to be leaking! Argh!





By the way... anyone want to buy a flow master 40 series single in/out 2.25in that has only been used for 3 months? also have the stock pipes to...
 
Woppy, take it back and make them aware of it. I doubt you will get reimbursed as Caymen states you should demand. People make mistakes, give them the chance to fix it. The best you might get is it done right and a coupon for a free oil change or something to go against your lost time and aggravation....yes, the service industry often leaves a lot to be desired.



TJR
 
Man... Just got the Trac back. It's incredible the diffrence! If I didn't know better I would say she was a V-8! The growl is wonderful I'll try to get a recording later this weekend. Come Monday thought - Watch Out Dealership!
 
Woppy, what exhaust work did you get done? I'm surprised you weren't satsified with the FM 40 with stock pipes. Love mines.
 
TJR, yes, people make mistakes. They work at McDonalds making $6 an hour. Ford Service Techs servicing a Ford vehicle should not make mistakes. There's a reason they charge $80/hour: because they're supposed to know the vehicle the best and have all the training and manuals to not f*** it up (though we know that's not true). They take classes and are required to be up to snuff on their skills. That kind of thoughtless work is the reason I do all my work myself, unless it's something like mounting/balancing tires, etc, etc. That is unacceptable service and I would be extremely angered if my dealership did something like that.
 
FlipTrac I first put a flowmaster 40 on my stock pipes and it sounded okay. Then the group buy for the Y-pipe and Cat came along and I jumped on it. Preformance + sound increased but because I still had stock piping from the CAT to the rear my Trac didn't feel like it was exhaling correctly ~ to restrictive... So today I had everything from the CAT back changed out so everything is now 2 1/2 inch piping. The overall affect is very noticeable! Theres more pick up and sound went from sometimes ricey to a non stop rumble that seriously shocked me! I just need a 3-4 inch stailess steal tip and I am done! Also I had the resonator removed long ago which added the sound IMO.



Also I'm with Jeff. And come monday... The dealership is gonna get an ear full and a compensation demand.
 
Jeff C, Woppy, mistakes happen. I'm not saying it's a good thing, I'm not even saying it's acceptable...clearly it's unacceptable. I just think people come off as "jerks" if they come into a service dept and say: "Hey, the last time I was in here you didn't do this and that right, and now I want my money back!"



Any good manager in that situation has nothing they can do to help the customer. The customer is being unreasonable. Instead, the customer should go in with the attitude and message of: "Hey, a mistake has been made and I want you to make me happy!"



Most people would and should be happy with "fixing" the mistake, and some kind of compensation for their pain and trouble.



No service organization should be expected to fix their mistake AND refund money in full.



Sure, at $80/hr it is more of an insult and more of a pain when a mistake happens, but they can and do still happen, regardless the service industry.



Note, Woppy, you said you are going to give them "an ear full and a compensation demand", that's reasonable....a full refund AND and earful AND a demand that they fix the problem would not be. That's all I was ever trying to say.



TJR
 
I was on an out of town job when my dad took his Thunderbird to the dealer to get a cable installed on it for the tranny. It was shifting funny and I knew what it needed.



Well, to make a long story short, after the tech did the job, the tranny still did not shift right. They recommended the tranny to be rebuilt. Dad told them no.



Took it to a tranny shop and the tech never connected the cable to the tranny, so it was like there was no cable there.



The shop did not charge dad a dime. Together we went back to the dealer and told them what happened. We even said that the tech said we needed a tranny rebuild. We posed the question is what if we would have said "Ok" would the tech rebuilt it anyways and we get charged for "work done".



The service manager asked us what we wanted him to do about it?



Simply put, we asked them to perform a job and they never did the job since it was not done right. We should not have to pay for work that was essentially never performed.



We got the money back from the job on the spot. We also got an apology from the dealer manager, service manager, and tech.



You requested them to do a job. They did not do it properly and had to pay someone to do it over. They are responsible for the costs you had to pay to get it fixed.



Take it to the dealer manager if you have to. Be polite, yet firm.





Tom
 
Alright, next time I f' up at work and break someone's car, I'll just say, everyone makes mistakes, and expect to go on my way without consequence? I'll see how well that works out.
 
Maybe I should explain my strategy... Monday when I go in I won't be a gun slinger from the old west. ~ Although I love those movies. I am more efficient with simply out talking the Ford staff. If at first what I am after is not reached then I will dig into my bag of aggression and pull out whatever is necessary to achieve my overall goal~ a solid refund and job done correctly. That is what I believe to be fair. If I was in their shoes and they in mine I would of course agree to refund and polite/friendly service. But that’s how I operate...
 
Jeff C said:
Alright, next time I f' up at work and break someone's car, I'll just say, everyone makes mistakes, and expect to go on my way without consequence? I'll see how well that works out.



I never said there shouldn't be consequences, quite to the contrary, I said there should be some form of compensation.



But, say for your example you DID make a mistake at work. And rather than a reprimand and a chance to fix the problem your boss instead docked you a full days pay, or a weeks pay.



Would that be fair? Would you want to work there that long?



Also, Jeff, are you REALLY saying that in your jobs of the past you have NEVER made a mistake...or had an accident?



TJR
 
Woppy said:
I will dig into my bag of aggression and pull out whatever is necessary to achieve my overall goal~ a solid refund and job done correctly. That is what I believe to be fair. If I was in their shoes and they in mine I would of course agree to refund and polite/friendly service. But that’s how I operate...



As I said, if "solid refund" means "full refund" and you want that along with the problem fixed then I think what you are asking is typically unreasonable.



For example, let's say a trans shop replaces your transmission and the labor is, oh, over $800. Maybe they don't quite get something right and you have to take the car back in after having it a few days for an adjustment. Yes, they should fix their mistake, at their cost, but few if any shops will refund the total original labor costs. It's unrealistic.



Consider this:



IF all service organizations had a "done right the first time or we fix it and give your money back" policy (which is what you guys seem to want), then one of the following things would happen:



1. Shops would be more careful and do much better quality work the first time (that's a good thing)



2. Shops would have to raise their prices across the board to assure the required level of quality and to still be profitable in the face of those intermittent "no-cost" jobs due to mistakes



3. There would be fewer service centers because profit margins go down, and the need for more expert help would go up



4. Service centers might actually have to carry some type of insurance to protect them against mistakes so that they don't totally eat large jobs they goof on...kind of a malpractice insurance, so that they could get money back from the insurer when they go down a rathole on a vehicle.



5. This would ultimately lead to more specialization ("We don't do that here, you have to go to...").



6. Certain customers, after gaining a reputation of being too difficult or able to please would get turned away by service centers.



I suspect a combination of all of the above would happen.



So, if such policies were widespread, expect to pay more, expect to have less choice, and expect even MORE specialization and more hassle in getting the service needed.



Wow, it sounds like our healthcare system. Healthcare has a "no mistakes or its free on us" policy...not so much as a refund, but because everyone will and does sue the doctor or hospital when a mistake is made.



I will say, however, as a courtesy and in order to retain a customer I would and HAVE "eaten" the cost of work in the past when there has been a disagreement (not even necessarily a mistake), but that has been at my descretion as a service provider and if a customer EVER demanded it they might actually be shown the door and told to not come back. Such refunds and resolutions are for the provider to OFFER, not for the customer to DEMAND. The customer should simply say: "I'm not content...make me content!", then let the negotiations begin.



TJR
 
Yes, people make mistakes, but most of the time is is just because they aren't paying attention or are just being lazy.



When my daughter arrived in Oklahoma three years ago, she was a low "B"/high "C" student. The first few weeks I noticed that she was being marked down on numerous assignments because she did the problems wrong. It turns out she was just reading part of the instructions and then deciding she knew what was required, she completed the homework.



My first lesson to her was that she needs to read ALL the instructions and understand them before starting work. I told her that if she did this on the job she would likely be fired and wind up flipping burgers somewhere. She moved into Honors classes at mid-year that first year and has a 4.3 GPA now.
 
Also, Jeff, are you REALLY saying that in your jobs of the past you have NEVER made a mistake...or had an accident?



No, that's not what I'm saying, and that's why I make $8 an hour.
 
Where I work, we are simply not allowed to make a mistake. One mistake can, and will, cost you your job.



I have seen guys being walked out of the plant, never to return, for making a lift without first looking at the lift drawing. These are not "new employees", but have been guys with 20 years of service.



I am not allowed to make a mistake. If I do, I can lose my job.



Those that work in dealerships make more money than I do.





Tom
 
Caymen,



I think you just made a mistake. ;)



You said:
Where I work, we are simply not allowed to make a mistake. One mistake can, and will, cost you your job.



You say "not allowed to make a mistake", then say "can, and will, cost you your job"...so which is it, "can", or "will?"



Just playing with you.



So guys at dealerships make more than you, and you think you make less mistakes than them. Maybe you should work for a dealer? You would make more money and help the world with your perfection!



TJR
 
TJR if you knew what we made, you would understand.



Unfortunatly, car dealers have no need for an industrial radiographer.





Tom
 
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