HE FOUGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY ... BUT HE'S NOT WORTHY.

[TrainTrac]

Neal Boortz is talking about this on his radio show right now. It's sad and disgusting that these ungrateful little twits have no respect whatsoever for those who served, especially someone such as Pappy Boyingtion.:angry:

HE FOUGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY ... BUT HE'S NOT WORTHY.



His name was Gregory Boyington. Some called him "Pappy." He served as a combat pilot in World War II with the 1st Squadron, American Volunteer Group. This squadron was known as the Flying Tigers of China. Boyington later served as a combat pilot for the U.S. Marine Corps. He commanded Marine Fighting Squadron 214. Perhaps you've heard of this squadron. It was called the Black Sheep Squadron and was later featured in a TV series called "Baa Baa, Black Sheep." Boyington shot down 26 Japanese aircraft while serving in the Pacific. He was later shot down and spent 20 months in a Japanese POW camp. For those of you who aren't up to par on World War II history, Japanese POW camps were not happy places. Torture .. .and we mean real torture, not stripping them naked and taking snapshots. After the war Pappy Boyington was awarded the Navy Cross and the Medal of Honor. He died in 1988. You can visit his grave in Arlington National Cemetery.



Education? Oh yes! Almost forgot! Pappy Boyington was a graduate of the University of Washington. Just recently the idea of erecting a memorial to this Medal of Honor winner at the University of Washington made its way to the student senate. Here you have an alumnus who served in World War II. was captured and held, and was later awarded the Medal of Honor and the Navy Cross. Perhaps some sort of monument would be a good idea!



Well .. not to Jill Edwards. Thanks to the folks at WorldNetDaily we can show you a copy of the minutes of a meeting of the student senate at the University of Washington. Under old business there was a discussion of a resolution calling for a tribute to Pappy Boyington. Student senate member Jill Edwards immediately moved to table the resolution. She wanted other issues to be considered. Another member said that the issue was at the top of the agenda and should be dealt with. Jill's motion failed, but she wasn't through. There was then some discussion on why Andrew Everett, another student senate member, wanted the memorial. Everett responded that Colonel Boyington "had many of the qualities the University of Washington hoped to produce in its students." Well, I guess that might be true, if leadership and courage are considered to be good qualities. Anyway ... that's when Jill Edwards spoke up and showed her true colors. She questioned whether it was appropriate to honor a person who killed other people. Then the lovely Jill Edwards said that a member of the Marine Corps was not an example of the sort of person the University of Washington wanted to produce.



Shall I repeat that? Jill Edwards, a Junior in Mathematics at the University of Washington, says that a U.S. Marine is not the example of the sort of person that the University of Washington wants to produce. Let's let this sink in. To all of you men and women out there who have served with pride in the United States Marine Corps; to those of you who fought in World War II, Korea, Vietnam and the Middle East, Jill Edwards, student senate member at the University of Washington, thinks that you are unworthy to be graduates of the University of Washington. My father was a Marine. He's buried in the National Cemetery at Ft. Sam Houston in San Antonio, Texas beneath a grave market that reads "Neal A Boortz, Sr. Lt. Col. USMC. World War II, Korea, Vietnam." Therefore, I think that Jill Edwards is an ignorant fool. I would submit that Jill Edwards is am embarrassment to the University of Washington. With her mathematics degree and her leftist outlook on life my guess is that she'll end up being a teacher in a government school. Oh goody.



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[TrainTrac]

 

[Larry Gamble]

Uhmmm, I bet she'd be voting to honor that killer from MA who's still serving in the Senate.



And, if my memory of Pappy serves...he was not a rich, white guy. But then, with today's liberal stance of anyone making more than 80k a year "a rich person," maybe he was once the dollars are translated into today's values.

 

[TrainTrac]

As a matter of fact, he wasn't a "rich white guy". He was part American Indian. Sioux or Cherokee I believe. His nephew called into Boortz's show later in the morning, and said that he was by no means rich.

 

[Gene Marshall]

Unfortunately, many of us have fought and many have died so this little so in so can voice their opinion. She is treating Pappy the way that us Vietnam Veterans were treated as though we single handedly started that war and we were all warmongers. We did what we were ordered to do and thats that. They can put his memorial in my yard. Hooray for the military, I thank you all for keeping me safe.

 

[Jake Levin]

corrrect me if I'm wrong but wasn't the black sheep squadron an all african-american fighter squadron?





Edit: Sorry I was thinking of The Tuskegee Airmen

 

[Shawn Hennessy]

jlevin75...yes, you are wrong.



The squadron was dubbed Black Sheep due more to the reputation of the pilots Boyington selected when he formed VMF-214.



The point of this is that the two girls who spoke out in the student senate objected because they didn't want any memorials that honored rich white heterosexual men, or men who killed others.



Boyington wasn't white (he was mixed ethinicity...caucaison, American Indian, and African American). He certainly wasn't rich (at no point in his life). But, alas he was indeed heterosexual. A hero he was...not just for his duties as a Marine...but as member of the <a href="http://www.flyingtigersavg.com/" target="_blank">AVG</a>.



This, my friends is reverse bigotry. It is hatred of those who voluntarily lay down their lives in the service of their country.



I suggest that every American read Boyington's memoirs.

 

[Dale Carter]

Dive - as usual the extreme leftists (NOT normal liberals) either get their facts wrong or don't care if they get in the way of their politics.



I wonder if indian blood trumps killing people in her addled little demagogical mind.

 

[Josh OH]

To all..



You are all right in your mindsets about whoever this woman is. As a member of a long bloodline that has fought and left years of tears in the service of my country, I also believe that it's pathetic how our country has begun to forget the very founding principles that the good ol' US of A was founded on.

Ya see.. Long history story short... My great grandfather fought in WWII... Lost both of his legs in it.. Grandpa was a cop, for 20 years, and had his fair share of ordeals just here on the homeland, Dad's a Vietnam Vet (Which, by the way, every Vietnam Vet I ever meet I go OUT of my way to thank, he taught me that.) he served 2 tours, and myself, well I'm the new War On Terror generation of the military. Did a tour for Enduring Freedom right after 9/11, then another 2 tours for OIF (Iraq)... Thats as short as I can tell the bloodline.

Now.. Getting back to the point... It's saddening to see that the very principles that we lived by, that the country lived by, are fading away like antique ideals.. Hell.. Ask a teenager what the meaning of liberty, valor, dignity, truth, dedicaton, freedom, principle, justice, temperance, sacrifice, and most importantly, HONOR is... And most will not give you a solid answer anymore.. They'll reach for something that sounds like a definition straight from Webster's good ol' dictionary.. And then move right on with their life not thinking anymore of it.. Well I'm here to say along with anyone else that's a vet, Webster doesn't know the definition to HONOR... And he sure as hell can't explain the feeling when your buddies get their A$$'s shot off, just to keep eachother alive...

To answer this posting. The medal of honor is what America is all about! That's why it is.. The medal of honor.. Let us take a moment, like TrainTrac said, to think about that... Just the name alone should strike a silence in your own heart, and a chill through your soul.. The medal of HONOR... It's what all of us have fought for, bled for, sweated long hours in far off lands with no sleep in hopes to serve our country and protect our familes. If there be no better person to have as a symbol for a university then I am ashamed of how terrifying our country has truly become.

Case and point is this.. The times are changing again my friends... They always do.. It's just how the wrechid world works.. Or so my ancestors have told me.. But it's our duty as veterans to ENSURE that the next generations, my children and our grandchildren, NEVER forget the true meaning of the principles that this country was founded on.. The words that mean more than words, and have more of definition than what is written in a book...

No matter what race.. Color.. Or creed... We are all one.. All americans... Not a slave of the politicans, but the politicans are slaves to the people and the better good for them. Not a people of one voice, but of many voices, many ideals but all one symbol... I for one will do my duty beyond when I hang up the uniform to ensure my children never forget these things.. I pray that others do the same.



~Josh

 

[Nelson Atwell]

Not everyone has forgotten. I am instilling respect for the military in my daughter. Her school is helping that too. The two years she has been here, her school has pretty much shutdown on Veterans Day so the students can hit the streets and visit veterans wherever they may be in our city.



Last November my daughter's choir class sang at a Veterans hospital and took the vets personal cards thanking them for their sacrifices. They visited several other places and finished the day by singing the National Anthem at the Oklahoma City Red Hawks hockey game (second year she has done this).



At least a couple times a month I have strangers stop me on the street and thank me for my service. Folks in Oklahoma City appreciate the military.



I can think of no one more deserving of a memorial than a Medal of Honor recepient.

 

[Mark B]

The talk show types love to present the flakes at the fringe of an issue. They make easy targets and good juicy radio. I read over some UW posts, it's not a dead issue. Most are in favor of a memorial and not big fans of Jill & Ashley.



One interesting proposal I read, since there are actually 5 MOH winners from UW, why not build a memorial to all of them?



- Deming Bronson UW '26, for action in WWI (awarded 1929)

- Greg Hallenbeck aka "Pappy" Boyington UW '34, WWII

- Robert Galer, UW '35, WWII

- William Kenzo Nakamura, UW '42? (he was shipped to an internment camp before graduation and died in action), WWII (awarded 2000)

- Robert E. Bush, UW '50?, WWII



Hope they do the right thing.



I guess we're to big a population for national mandatory military service but when I read about clueless kids like Jill & Ashley...

 

[TrainTrac]

Boortz posted an update to this situation on his website this morning:

AND AN UPDATE ON THE UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON AND PAPPY BOYINGTON



Yesterday in the Nuze and on my show I shared with you the story of Jill Edwards, a junior math major at the University of Washington. In brief, Edwards, a member of the UW student senate, opposed a memorial to UW grad "Pappy" Boyington. Boyington was a U.S. Marine aviator who earned the Medal of Honor in World War II. Edwards said that she didn't think it was appropriate to honor a person who killed other people. She also said that a member of the Marine Corps was NOT an example of the sort of person the University of Washington wanted to produce.



I'm happy to report to you that there are other students at the University of Washington who have the good sense to be embarrassed by Jill Edwards. In fact, one member of the student senate has introduced an item demanding an apology from Edwards. Here you go:

Associated Students of the University of Washington

Student Senate

Session 12



Edwards Apology



WHEREAS Student Senator Jill Edwards offended all members of the United States Marine Corps, past or present, dead or alive; especially those who were, are, or will be students at the University of Washington with her comment that she "didn't believe a member of the Marine Corps was an example of the sort of person UW wanted to produce." This commented brought shame and dishonor to not only the UW Student Senate, but also the University as a whole, all its members who have served in the Marine Corps and all Marines past and present.







BE IT RESOLVED BY THE ASSOCIATED STUDENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON:



THAT



Student Senator Jill Edwards will submit, in writing, a signed apology letter seeking forgiveness to all students, staff, and alumni who are now or ever have served in the United States Marine Corps. In said letter it will contain a formal apology and a recognition that her very rights and freedoms are guaranteed by such members of the armed services, to include the Marine Corps, Army, Navy, Air Force, and Coast Guard, past or present, living or dead. Additionally, said letter will be printed in all its form and substance in that day's edition of the UW Daily newspaper as well as being recited on the UW Radio station. To realize her mistake, she must acquaint herself with the history of the person she is so keen to dismiss, by reading Col. Boyington's book, Baa, Baa, Black Sheep. All of these requirements are mandatory, under pain of losing her seat on the Student Senate.







History of Legislation



02/15/2006: Submitted for consideration

Wait .. it gets better! It seems that Jill Edwards is catching a little heat from the great unwashed. Now that's a shame, isn't it! Don't you think that a young adult should be allowed to deliver an insult like this to everyone who ever wore the dress blues of a United States Marine without any negative feedback at all? Jill, it seems, holds a place on the University of Washington student senate due to her membership in something called the "Honors Croquet League." Now isn't that special. Jill Edwards is an honors croquet player. We're all impressed. Here's an item that she posted on the Internet after the flap over her comments about Marines became public. We'll just leave the spelling where it is.

Honors Croquet League

Senate Reports





Previous February 7, 2006

Index of Dates



Senate this week was interesting. I talked more than I ever have before and realized exactly why I never talk. I apparently upset a lot of people when I opposed a memorial for a Colonel from WWII who had recieved a Medal of Honor and who was a UW graduate. This was the main discussion and rather than go into<

 

[Michael Cacioppo]

Jill Edwards should run for the New York senate seat in New York. She'll probably beat Hillary based on personalities, and that's hard!!!:lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[Ryan Schaecher]

This is right up there with the City Council of San Fran denying the USS IOWA a permanent berth aas a museum because it is a "giant gun", "60 feet tall", and a "weapon of war and death". Pathetic. Course, this is comming from the same city that said it is illegal to posess a firearm of any sort within city limits.



Good luck. I'm not comming to help your sorry a$$e$ when a terror attack visits you.

 

[Michael Cacioppo]

I'd park it off shore and try out it's 9 16" guns in to "soften" the landing zone! That might get rid of enough nuts to help California join the union again.

 

[Dale Carter]

I laughed out loud at Senator Clinton making a statement yesterday about the Cheney shooting as an example of the long history of the Bush White House not being forthcoming with details for the American people.



After socialized medicine, Travelgate, Monica, Buddhist fundraisers, "no controlling legal authority", Vince Foster, Rose billing records, etc etc She ought to know HAHAHAHAHA

 

[Mark B]

Neal Boortz never served our country. Is he worthy?



Alright, Neal. This chucklehead, Jill, is suitably chastised. No need to pile on day after day.







I have a thing about the righteous hawks who never felt the personal need to serve.

 

[Dale Carter]

How does Neal Boortz not serving have anything to do with chastiing this girl for not honoring a man who did serve?



He isn't chastising HER for not serving, he is chastising her for denigrating a man, and by her words ALL Marines.



Is publishing HER words and then HER own blog, piling on? This is a case of good journalism, report the story and then follow up. Yes, I know he is an editorialist, not a journalist.



I have a thing about people who will use farcical or specious arguments to attack the right wing whenever possible

 

[Shawn Hennessy]

fy10lyny,

Does someone have to serve our country to earn the right to chastise a person who flames anyone who serves? There are many Americans who couldn't serve due to physical disabilaties. During WWII, many men committed suiced when they were found to be unfit for service in the Armed forces. How is it that you can flame Boortz so easily? DO you <b>know</b> why he didn't serve?

 

[Shawn Hennessy]

Here's the entire transcript from the minutes of the February 7, 2006 UW Senate Session:



X. Orders of the Day



A. New Business



There was no new business to consider.



B. Old Business



R-12-18 A Resolution to Calling for a Tribute for Col. Gregory “Pappy”

Boyington, USMC



Andrew Everett, sponsor of the legislation, summarized the resolution.

He said he wasn’t interested in a large statue, but rather something on a

small scale.



Jill Edwards moved to table the resolution until next meeting. Seconded.

Objection.



Jill Edwards said other legislation needed to be considered as other

resolutions have been on the docket longer.



Mikhail Smirnoff said he didn’t see the issue as controversial and that

because Senate had voted it to the top of the agenda it should be

considered immediately.



The motion failed.



Travis McCoy asked how the construction of the memorial would be

funded.



Andrew Everett said he had drawn up funding proposals for the UWAA,

several UW departments, and other private sources of funding.



Jono Hanks asked why Andrew Everett was interested in honoring this

particular alumnus.



Andrew Everett said he had read about Colonel Boyington and thought

his achievements warranted recognition.



Tyler Dockins asked why the monument shouldn’t commemorate all the

alumni who fought in the war.



Andrew Everett noted that several statues around campus already serve

such a purpose and that Colonel Boyington had many of the qualities the

University of Washington hoped to produce in its students.



Jill Edwards questioned whether it was appropriate to honor a person

who killed other people.

She said she didn’t’ believe a member of the Marine Corps was an

example of the sort of person UW wanted to produce.



Ashley Miller commented that many monuments at UW already

commemorate rich white men.



Karl Smith amended the first ‘whereas’ clause to strike the section “he

was credited with destroying 26 enemy aircraft, tying the record for most

aircraft destroyed by a pilot in American Uniform for which he was” and

leaving the reference to the Navy Cross. Seconded. Objection.

He said the resolution should commend Colonel Boyington’s service, not

his killing of others.



Andrew Everett said a destroyed aircraft was not necessarily indicative

that a pilot had died. He said the statistic on aircraft downed explained

Colonel Boyington’s achievements and why his performance was

noteworthy.



Deidre Lockman said she was in favor of the resolution and approved of

Karl Smith’s amendment.



Sam Al-Khoury moved to close debate on the amendment. Seconded.

Passed without objection.



The amendment passed.



Erin Shields asked what the process is for erecting a memorial on

campus.



Andrew Everett said it was a process he would push through personally.

He said it would go to the university administration, then to the Capital

Projects Committee for placement consideration, and back to the

administration for a final discussion on the monument.



Niki Iglesias moved to close debate. Seconded. Objection.



The motion failed.



Shawn Fisher moved to amend the second ‘that’ clause and strike the

deadline of 11 January 2008.



He said he was against the resolution, but that if it did pass, he wanted the

statue to be of a high quality and said the project shouldn’t be rushed.



Mikhail Smirnoff noted the resolution didn’t require the statue to be

finished, but merely<