Michael Sugarman
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Microsoft
Intel
Exxon, Shell, BP Oil
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Intel
Exxon, Shell, BP Oil
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Enron
Tyco
Wal-Mart
Corporate greed.
Tom
Tyco
Wal-Mart
Corporate greed.
Tom
KentheREALone Z
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Tom;
If you're referring to greed and "adjusting" American manufacturing forever, don't forget about the Wall Street Corporate raiders of the 1980's, people like KKR (Kholberg, Kravis & Roberts). Remember Beatrice, RJR, Nabisco, etc? Enron screwed employees in public, guys like KKR did it "friendly".
If you're referring to greed and "adjusting" American manufacturing forever, don't forget about the Wall Street Corporate raiders of the 1980's, people like KKR (Kholberg, Kravis & Roberts). Remember Beatrice, RJR, Nabisco, etc? Enron screwed employees in public, guys like KKR did it "friendly".
Nelson Atwell
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Microsoft -- Computers drive the World Economy
Exxon-Mobil -- They provide energy and have driven up the costs for all consumers
Unions -- They have crippled the manufacturing by tying managers' hands to restructure and reduce operating costs. This has caused many to out-source production to overseas factories.
Exxon-Mobil -- They provide energy and have driven up the costs for all consumers
Unions -- They have crippled the manufacturing by tying managers' hands to restructure and reduce operating costs. This has caused many to out-source production to overseas factories.
Nelson,
I never knew "unions" was a company. I always though unions were groups of people represented by a union that, together, negotiate a fair wage, fair benefits, and fair working hours for everyone in that company.
If you really think outsourcing was caused by unions, why do many companies that have office personal go to India to outsource?
I honestly could not imagine moving a companies operations to another country to lower a wage from $5.00/hr to $5 a week. That could not be why they do it.
Tom
I never knew "unions" was a company. I always though unions were groups of people represented by a union that, together, negotiate a fair wage, fair benefits, and fair working hours for everyone in that company.
If you really think outsourcing was caused by unions, why do many companies that have office personal go to India to outsource?
I honestly could not imagine moving a companies operations to another country to lower a wage from $5.00/hr to $5 a week. That could not be why they do it.
Tom
Ryan Schaecher
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That's why I called out the AFL/CIO.... I'll add in Teamsters, UAW and ALPA as well.
Gavin Allan
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Don't forget HALIBURTON!
The bill from the Iraq war will influence us for years to come...
The bill from the Iraq war will influence us for years to come...
Thomas Rogers
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Caymen, it is nothing but sensationalism and bias that would allow you to list Tyco, Enron and Wal-Mart in the same list and attribute them all as examples of corporate greed.
The first two have broken several corporate accounting laws and have literally stolen billions from employees and shareholds.
Wal-Mart on the other hand has run a reputable, successful business, providing jobs where there often were few, and providing good value and service jobs to communities.
Okay, I get that you don't like Wal-Mart. But you seem to appreciate what Penn and Teller have to say, and they themselves showed that Wal-Mart hating (which so many do) is pure Bull$hit, and simply something that is trendy and programmed into many of us, say like some don't like unions, not because of any personal interactions, but because they have been programmed to do so.
Shame on you!
TJR
The first two have broken several corporate accounting laws and have literally stolen billions from employees and shareholds.
Wal-Mart on the other hand has run a reputable, successful business, providing jobs where there often were few, and providing good value and service jobs to communities.
Okay, I get that you don't like Wal-Mart. But you seem to appreciate what Penn and Teller have to say, and they themselves showed that Wal-Mart hating (which so many do) is pure Bull$hit, and simply something that is trendy and programmed into many of us, say like some don't like unions, not because of any personal interactions, but because they have been programmed to do so.
Shame on you!
TJR
Bill V
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Man, can this question be interpretted a lot of ways...
Companies with the most CURRENT influence, or companies that have had the greatest impact on America throughout its history, or companies that may not have even existed anymore in 1776 but whose earlier existence may have had the greatest impact on what would become America?
Companies that are having the most influence, visibly in the eyes of John Q. Public, or companies that are having the most influence in ways most people don't even realize?
Companies that are having the most influence from within our borders, or companies from anywhere in the world whose actions are influencing us?
And then there's the whole issue of defining "company"--some would say that the U.S. government is itself a company, that would be at the top of the list. Other examples--is Al Quida (sp?) a company? Are drug cartels companies?
Companies with the most CURRENT influence, or companies that have had the greatest impact on America throughout its history, or companies that may not have even existed anymore in 1776 but whose earlier existence may have had the greatest impact on what would become America?
Companies that are having the most influence, visibly in the eyes of John Q. Public, or companies that are having the most influence in ways most people don't even realize?
Companies that are having the most influence from within our borders, or companies from anywhere in the world whose actions are influencing us?
And then there's the whole issue of defining "company"--some would say that the U.S. government is itself a company, that would be at the top of the list. Other examples--is Al Quida (sp?) a company? Are drug cartels companies?
Michael Sugarman
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Answer it any way you want.
For expample - when I was a kid I played outside all day. I would walk to town (4 miles) or swim across the river (1/2 mile). I got paddlings in school and disciplined by the neighbors. I had respect (fear) for adults. I won't let my little girl go down the road where I can't see her. No discipline in schools. Many kids have no respect or ambition.
What happend? I know the corporations didn't change it (all by themselves), but what companies are influencing us - the U.S.
Different generations will answer the question different ways. That is the beauty of asking such an open question on a forum with diverse demographics.
For expample - when I was a kid I played outside all day. I would walk to town (4 miles) or swim across the river (1/2 mile). I got paddlings in school and disciplined by the neighbors. I had respect (fear) for adults. I won't let my little girl go down the road where I can't see her. No discipline in schools. Many kids have no respect or ambition.
What happend? I know the corporations didn't change it (all by themselves), but what companies are influencing us - the U.S.
Different generations will answer the question different ways. That is the beauty of asking such an open question on a forum with diverse demographics.
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Thomas Rogers
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Volfireman07 said:
That's easy...the mass media news corporations with there "if it bleeds it leads" attitude have scared the crap out of most of America.
It would probably surprise all the parents here to know that your children, on average, are safer in your neighborhoods today than we all were back in the 50s, 60s and 70s as kids. Those are just the statistical facts. Violence against children is less today than it was then.
The thing that has had the most impact in your life in this area, Volfireman, is that you hear about the isolated incidents today much more, and in much more of an alarming fashion so the world for a young child SEEMS more dangerous.
It isn't.
TJR
That's easy...the mass media news corporations with there "if it bleeds it leads" attitude have scared the crap out of most of America.
It would probably surprise all the parents here to know that your children, on average, are safer in your neighborhoods today than we all were back in the 50s, 60s and 70s as kids. Those are just the statistical facts. Violence against children is less today than it was then.
The thing that has had the most impact in your life in this area, Volfireman, is that you hear about the isolated incidents today much more, and in much more of an alarming fashion so the world for a young child SEEMS more dangerous.
It isn't.
TJR
Enron has changed the way other corporations can now operate.
I am only saying this by what I have heard and seen, though I do not have proof.
Meyers Tire Industries used to have a clearance section that would allow you to buy items that they no longer carry or people didn;t like, etc. Not sure of the exact details, but I will continue.
After the whole Enron scandal, Meyers Tire HAD to seperate one part of the business to a new location to sell wholesale to other business via will-call. They are no longer able to sell the items I mentioned before through that outlet. The must send it back to the manufacturer, or actually throw it away.
I was told this by a manager at the new location.
That changes the way businesses can do business.
As for Wal-Mart, there are many reasons I do not like them. Greed is one of them.
I enjoy watching Penn & Teller and I have the right to agree and disagree with them. Out of all the episodes I have watched, only one of them I do not completely agree with.
Tom
Thomas Rogers
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Caymen said:
Right. The one you don't totally agree with out of ALL the others is the "Wal-Mart Bashers" episode; right? That alone should tell you something.
You've been programmed to hate Wal-Mart. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with greed...Greed, in a word, is "Good" (Gordon Gecko...Wall St.) Greed, or described another way, the desire to maximize a finanical situation, is what drives capitalism...and even unions!
TJR
Right. The one you don't totally agree with out of ALL the others is the "Wal-Mart Bashers" episode; right? That alone should tell you something.
You've been programmed to hate Wal-Mart. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with greed...Greed, in a word, is "Good" (Gordon Gecko...Wall St.) Greed, or described another way, the desire to maximize a finanical situation, is what drives capitalism...and even unions!
TJR
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I have not been programmed to hate Wal-Mart. I decided on that all by myself. I used to shop there all the time.
When Wal-Mart closed the store where the employees voted the union in a few years back because they wanted a better life, that day I no longer shopped at Wal-Mart.
I admit, if I have no other place to shop when I need something, I will shop at Wal-Mart, but I try to avoid it at all costs though.
It is not about programming, it is about self convictions. I do not need a college professor tell me unions are bad or a world economy is going to be the best thing there ever has been. I am not naieve enough to think they are telling me the truth.
Greed can be a good thing, but it is bad too. When you allow a family go hungry that could use help, greed is bad.
Tom
When Wal-Mart closed the store where the employees voted the union in a few years back because they wanted a better life, that day I no longer shopped at Wal-Mart.
I admit, if I have no other place to shop when I need something, I will shop at Wal-Mart, but I try to avoid it at all costs though.
It is not about programming, it is about self convictions. I do not need a college professor tell me unions are bad or a world economy is going to be the best thing there ever has been. I am not naieve enough to think they are telling me the truth.
Greed can be a good thing, but it is bad too. When you allow a family go hungry that could use help, greed is bad.
Tom
gary s
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nelsonokc, could not have said it any better
gary,
You must be one of those people that think "unions" is actually a company. :lol:
Tom
You must be one of those people that think "unions" is actually a company. :lol:
Tom
