Obama in the NRA Mag.

[KentheREALone Z]

Thought this ad in the recent NRA magazine might spark some discussion;

 

[EddieS'04]

Best we buy all we want now before the swaring in ceremony...

Then hide them...

 

[Robert Poole]

No Kidding, I'm looking at a .45, but the prices have started to climb, apparently a lot of people are buying up firearms for fear that obama will try to force through a ban.



Have a good one



Bob

 

[Tom Schindler]

No Kidding, I'm looking at a .45, but the prices have started to climb, apparently a lot of people are buying up firearms for fear that obama will try to force through a ban.

That is such an unsubstantiated hype. The president does not have those powers.





Tom

 

[TomT]

That is such an unsubstantiated hype. The president does not have those powers.

Tom. I heard if Obama wins he will PERSONALLY come to your home and confiscate all your guns.

 

[Nick Smith]

That is such an unsubstantiated hype. The president does not have those powers.

But he does have the power to nominate people for the Supreme Court. So it may not be a issue when he gets elected but it will when we get some new people for the Supreme Court in a few years. I would bet that Justice Ginsburg is waiting until a democrat gets elected.

 

[Doug Watts]

Hopefully, Ginsburg will have a long wait.

 

[Roy Smith]

and you idiot "damnacrats" are going to vote for this muslum that wants to change the "greatest nation in the world"????eeven if you don't believe in the bible,read revilations,obama is described in it.our only hope is that someone will shoot him before he does to much damage to the u.s. or the world!!!:angry:

 

[Bill Barber]

Roy

Be carefull what you say on the net.

 

[TomT]

and you idiot "damnacrats" are going to vote for this muslum that wants to change the "greatest nation in the world"????eeven if you don't believe in the bible,read revilations,obama is described in it.our only hope is that someone will shoot him before he does to much damage to the u.s. or the world!!

You know the only thing worse then a "muslum" is a christian fundamentalist. Especially one that can't spell.

 

[Anthony Coghill]

The right to bear arms will always stand... we must be able to over-throw a corrupt government (which might long over do in some opinions) and also be able to hunt for food if we need to. Come on.... like they'll ever be able to ban guns.

 

[Don Pertz]

Believe me... They know we are getting fed up with their Bull and they damn sure don't want us out there with weapons...So , when they start to disarm us you will know what their intentions are.. Be prepared.. If they say we have to turn in our weapons we have to stop it right there. Once you give them up its all over.... Just think about it..

 

[Bill Barber]

D, who are we going to stop?

You gotta admit, are alot of guns that need to be banned and taken off the streets.

Am a lifelong gun collector and hunter and a livid Gun advocate.

If federal agents show up at your house to take your guns away, are you going to shoot them?

 

[A K]

The Second Amendment is not going to be abrogated by any president. While limited in scope, it does create a qualified right (per the S.C.). The president alone cannot change this. In addition, neither can Congress. Any such effort will be subject to almost immediate S.C. review.



With respect to the S.C. immediately changing its stance, does anyone recall the Warren Court? A relatively conservative president appointed who he thought were conservative Justices to the Court. The result? A president completely mistaken. Don't underestimate the ability of a jurist to put belief and political ideology behind legal interpretation and deference to precedent.



@ roy:



I'm going to be honest here. What you wrote likely earned you a place on the Secret Service/FBI watch list. Do you get the asininity of that statement? First, simple civics prevents any usurpation of power by the president. You're telling me that, (for assumption only, as I think it's insane) should Mr. Obama turn out to be less friendly to our country and more to others, and act contrary to the best interests of our nation (something that might be said for the current administration at times), the rest of the government will rubber stamp it? Come on. Have a little faith in our Constitution and its procedures. Despite being interpreted every which way, the core remains and is as powerful as ever.

 

[TrainTrac]

And consider the irony of this: Gun ownership has been outlawed in the city of Chicago for years, yet last week in the news it was reported that our bone-headed governor thought it might be necessary to send the National Guard into the city to help LEO's with the high murder and other gun-related crime rates.:wacko:



If the guns are outlawed, this shouldn't be necessary, because outlawing guns is supposed to eliminate crime right?:blink:

 

[Shelby Crane]

Roy - I hope you are wrong. The fastest way for us to loose our guns is for someone to harm Obama with one. I hope no one would cause him any harm, but if they do, I hope they do it with a spoon. Actually, maybe not. If they ban spoons it would be hard to eat my soup.



Caymen - What do you mean the President does not have that power? Clinton sponsored his gun ban and lobbied it through congress. The President may not have the direct power to ban, but can influence congress to "limit" gun production.



Bill Barber - What guns need to be baned and taken off the streets? And yes, if they federal agents show up at my house and demand my guns (which are legal for me to own), there will be bullets flying. I believe in my 2nd amendment enough to loose my life over it.

 

[Joshua Mercer]

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future." Adolf Hitler 1935

 

[Joshua Mercer]

As a gun owner, a collector, a NRA instructor, and as a private armed security officer this topic disturbs me deeply. Firearms are not to blame, they are used as a scapegoat so that individuals that are unfamiliar with them can blame an item other than themselves for crime, or a negative use of a firearm. Remember what a criminal is, someone that fails to follow the law. If law is passed thatsays we must surrender our firearms, and or bans firearms; how many criminals would stand inline to give up thier firearms they obtained legally, or illegally? Orlando Police every year sponsor and event with Crimeline its called "Kicks for Guns". They accept any firearm no questions asked and confidential. All they ask you is your shoe size for their "kicks". In that event 80% of the firearms are non working condition, 10% are "legally" owned firearms "husband passed away, widow didnt want them". 5% are toy guns (for the kids), and 5% are firearms used in crimes or have been altered criminally. This 5% is not the cream of the crop.. "old rusted barely works, drop guns", usually hi-points or jennings. During my career as an armed security officer i have found many illegal firearms, but i have only found less than 5 legally carried or obtained. I have recovered many expensive assualt rifles (even during the ban), handguns, SMG semiautos variants, etc, etc. The point is that criminals are criminals, they will not give up thier firearms, and we as citizens have a duty to ultimately protect ourselves from criminals. The police cannot be everywhere and act as a personal bodyguard. If you want to give up your firearms, thats your business... besides criminals love unarmed victims!!!!

 

[Bill Barber]

Ironbar

Not saying you are one, but it's that kind of skinhead attitude the fuels the anti-gun crowd.

When the feds show up at your House, you will not be the last man standing, am certain your family will understand that you died to keep your guns and be proud of you.

Are an estimated 110 Million AK 47s in the world (read the book AK) are an estimated 85K in the U.S, the semis can easily be converted to full auto with a file.

You can find all you need via the net to convert UZIs and AR 15s into full auto weapons.

are no need for these sort of weapons.

Barrett BMGs (50cal) can take out a jumbo jet with 400 people on board, right time. right place in the right hands.

thats my list of guns that should be banned.

 

[A K]

You know, some of the stuff I've read here from gun proponents makes me wonder.



I recognize the 2d Amendment protection, but you act like reasonable limitations will cause the nation to collapse. We don't mind if our cars are registered, if our licenses essentially are registered, or if we have to provide fingerprints prior to accepting even private employment. But God forbid we limit the types of weapons folks may hold.



A gun for self-protection is fine. The world is a dangerous place, especially when considering that in addition to the stable, the unstable can purchase weapons so long as they're not flagged.



A gun or two or three for hunting, recreational or whatever target shooting is fine. Some folks have a hobby.



But a semi-automatic? An automatic? Are you going to hunt bears, and the bears are carrying grenades? Fear an ambush by an angry group of turkeys?



Guns may not kill people, but they sure make it easier. Guns that give a private citizen more firepower than the average municipal police force are insane. I've never seen someone stab someone from a distance of 10 yards. I don't buy the "well, if guns kill people, so do cars." Yeah, but cars are not designed for the purpose of killing. They serve multiple useful purposes. A gun, by its design, is to wound or kill. You can only use a gun for so many things, and other than target practice or turning out the light in a room (any Simpsons fans?), it's pretty limited.



I noted above, but also want to expound a little more. The S.C. held that holding a gun is a right subject to reasonable limitations. Fundamental rights--speech, assembly, privacy--too are subject to reasonable limitations. A narrowly-tailored requirement that groups register with a town (get a permit) before soliciting is legal, despite it touching on speech. A permit for a park prior to assembly is legal, so long as not discriminatory applied. Why would a national gun registration be so bad? On what privacy interest would it impede? If you don't misuse the weapon, you have nothing to worry about. The ATF is not going to break down your door for plunking an old coffee can out back.