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Don Logan

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I recently where my 2002 Trac 4X2 went out of control and slammed into some rocks. It happened when I put it in reverse and the truck shot off like a rocket and came to rest on some rocks. When I went to pull it off the rocks after checking for a sticking gas pedal it repeated the same thing and the brake pedal was on the floor, I shut off the engine.



Ford says it has never happened to anyone else, HAS ANYONE GOT KNOWLEDGE OF A SIMILAR INCIDET, PLEASE REPLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:
 
Dont recall it hapening in my 3 years of being around here...



The torque converter could have been stuck......



Todd Z
 
Only thing I can think of off hand that might cause that scenario is a brake/

accelerator bracket or part thereof coming loose or breaking and binding up

the accelerator pedal or linkage to full throttle when the brake pedal fell to

the floor. :unsure:
 
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I have an 02 and have been hanging around this site for over 5 years and have never heard of anything like that.
 
I have never heard of a Sport Trac with that problem, but I do remember seeing something like that in the news years ago. It had to do with the Crown Victoria and Lincoln Continental.

I did a search and came up with this..



In recent litigation, Ford has been required to disclose documents that revealed the breadth of the problem (almost no Ford vehicle is exempt, and failures have been reported in such popular models as the Taurus, Explorer, Mercury Marquis, Crown Victoria, Lincoln Continental and F-Series pickup trucks), the company's prior knowledge of the cruise control design defects and its efforts to keep them hidden. Ford today is finding it difficult to hide behind its decades-old strategy of claiming that "these failures don't occur in the real world" in the face of hundreds of highly-credible victims (including Secret Service agents and police officers) who have come forward and testified about their horrific experiences when the Ford vehicles they were driving suddenly took off on them or failed to respond to a braking command. As a result, victims are winning their cases against Ford.



 
i posted a few weeks ago about my wifes escapes gas pedal getting stuck

as in she couldnt accelerate we had to roll to the side of the road

then all of the sudden it free'd itself and we went about our way.



i had forgotten all about it and happened to ask her last night if it happened

again and she said it did last week but forgot to tell me.

so it looks like a trip to the dealer is in order.



of course they will probably ask me how many beers she had also

but i want to get it on record just in case it gets stuck in an accelerating

position and causes an accident.
 
RichM,

I think we can all understand that throttles do stick, either open, closed or somewhere in between. The problem with the story above is that it was perfectly fine until put in reverse - indicates was idling and then went spastic when put into reverse, obviously without having a foot on the brake. Then checked for sticking gas pedal, with truck still running because he doesn't shut her down until after second attempt.



Personally, if the throttle sticks enough to slam into some rocks like a rocket, I'm gonna hear it. Hence the music comment.



Methinks foot was on gas and not brake.



;)
 
I wish to thank all of those members that made positive comments, they have helped me determine thst this is a major problem that Ford has be denying. Apparently this EXACT situation has happened hundreds of times and causing deaths in a number of cases. There are law suits pending all over North America. So please accept my grateful thanks to all of you who helped.



PS> You cannot put a Sport Trac into gear UNLESS you have your foot on the brake!!!!!!!
 
Plaintiffs sought punitive damages on their sudden acceleration claim, alleging Ford committed malice and fraud in its investigation of sudden acceleration reports in the 1980s. Ford's investigation, corroborated by findings of a yearlong industry-wide investigation by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, concluded in most cases sudden acceleration incidents are caused by the driver mistakenly stepping on the accelerator pedal instead of the brake. Ford, along with all other auto manufacturers, responded by installing brake shift interlocks that require drivers to have their foot on the brake as they shift from park into gear. Installation of brake shift interlocks nearly eliminated reports of sudden acceleration throughout the auto industry.



Ford presented evidence at trial of its own extensive investigation of reports of sudden acceleration incidents. Ford ruled out the cruise control as the cause because redundancies in the system made it virtually impossible for the cruise control to be activated when a vehicle is standing still. Ford's electrical engineering expert explained the redundancies, backups and fail-safes in the design of the cruise control system, as well as the brake system, which would have stopped the car very quickly if Watts had stepped hard on the brake pedal, as she believed she had. Although plaintiffs were allowed to introduce into evidence the testimony of several other people who believed they had experienced sudden acceleration incidents, as well as documentation of other alleged incidents, the jury found no defect in the cruise control system.

 
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Another case. Note comment about brakes during WOT.



A. The Accident



Jarvis testified at trial that, in 1991, she started her six-day-old Ford Aerostar in the driveway of her home in rural Woodstock, New York with her right foot "lightly on the brake." After she turned on the ignition, the engine suddenly revved and the vehicle "took off." As the van accelerated, [*39] Jarvis pumped the [**5] brake with both feet, looking down to make sure her feet were on the brake pedal. The van would not stop. She steered to avoid people walking in the road and then heard saplings brushing against the side of the van before she blacked out. Jarvis testified that she had driven many different kinds of vehicles over the twenty-four years since she had first acquired a driver's license, and that, prior to this incident, she had never had a driving accident.



Jarvis's father, who was standing nearby, testified that he saw the car starting off at an "unusually fast speed" for his daughter. As the Aerostar passed him, he saw Jarvis "holding on to the steering wheel very tight and her body was going back and forth ever so slightly." Jarvis's father testified that as Jarvis was removed from the van after the accident, she screamed, "there's something wrong. The brakes don't work. There's something wrong with that car. The brakes don't work." As a result of the accident, Jarvis sustained a traumatic head injury and could not return to her previous employment.



Plaintiff's reconstruction expert, George Pope, testified that the van traveled approximately 330 feet and did some braking that slowed [**6] it to 15 to 20 miles per hour before it entered a ditch and turned over. Pope testified that the Aerostar had vacuum power brakes that draw their vacuum from the engine, but that the engine does not create the necessary vacuum when accelerating full throttle. Even though a check valve traps a reservoir of vacuum for use when the engine vacuum is low, this reserve can be depleted after one-and-a-half hard brake applications. Therefore, according to Pope, if Jarvis were pumping the brakes in an effort to stop the Aerostar after it began accelerating at full throttle, she would lose approximately one thousand pounds of additional force that the booster normally could supply to her brakes. Pope concluded that "under those circumstances []it will feel to a person like they've lost their brakes, [because] they're pushing and nothing is happening."



Joanne Valentine-Simonian, a passerby, testified that she watched Jarvis's van pass and that she saw the van moving quickly down the road and ran toward the woods. As she looked back to see the van pass, she did not see any brake lights. A police officer who was called to the scene of the accident testified that he saw no marks on the road [**7] near the accident except in the ditch where the Aerostar turned over. Jarvis's father had been the last one to use the Aerostar before the accident. When asked at trial whether he had left the parking brake on, Jarvis's father testified that it was his "normal habit" to put it on, but that he had "no memory of it as such" in this case. When asked directly, he answered, "I'm not certain I put it in with the parking brake on." Pope testified that the Aerostar has two instrument panel lights related to the braking system. When the parking brake is left on, a red light is illuminated on the right side of the dash below the horizontal center point. A second light, amber in color and located on the upper left corner of the dash panel, is related to the rear anti-lock brake system and will illuminate for two seconds after the ignition is turned on and the van moves forward while the system reviews its components to ensure that they are fucntioning properly. Jarvis testified that she saw one white or light yellow light illuminated high on the dashboard toward the left and that, "as I'm recalling[,] it said brake." Asked specifically if s
 
That's what I said before, Bill-E, most every case of this type gets dropped as "operator error".



Good luck Don, you have a long journey ahead of you.



TJR
 
I now have an investigator that works with Transport Canada and a professor of automotive engineering at a local university investigating this incident. This is the first time they have anyone that wa able to get back in the vehicle and move it again paying very particular attention to exactly what pedals were in use and how the brakes react and is not launching a multi million dollar law suit. He feels very confident we will be succesful in proving our case.



Thank you all and i sincerely hope that none of you EVER experiences this happening, I was lucky to escape with no injuries and minor damage.
 

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