School Dicipline

[Dale Carter]

I am amazed that anyone would make the case that crime was as bad in the past as today. Drugs alone are enough to kill that argument. How about identity theft? Auto theft? Drugs and weapons in schools? White collar crimes, especially those aided by the internet.



I guess that is why law enforcment departments are so much larger (per capita, controlling for population growth) than they were before. I am sure that many police departments of 30 or 40 years ago had tanks, SWAT teams and bomb squads.



The average sentence for murder today is about 7 1/2 years, so I am curious as to the "kids will be kids" pranks that would get you 10 - 20 years today. Unless Bill V's grandpa was a crack kingpin, that argument doesn;t wash.



Also, the Mafia pretty much stuck to killing each other :lol:

 

[Dale Carter]

It just occured to me that our car lots required only a chain link fence and a good lock in 1970 and drive to the bank with the deposits. Today we have armored car pickup, IP enabled video cameras recording to a DVR, IR beams and an 8' electric fence charged to over 7,000 volts monitored 24/7.



I am about to save my company a HUGE amount of money becasue we don't need that gear, since crime is no worse than the old days.:wacko:

 

[Johnny O]

Also, the Mafia pretty much stuck to killing each other:lol:

The Mafia is not terribly interested in killing people. The Mafia is interested in making money, they just kill people who get in the way of making money.

 

[TrainTrac]

When the Mafia began to kill people other than their own, that's what began to bring them down. It brought too much attention to "Their Thing".

 

[Bill V]

OK, 10-20 years might have been exaggerating slightly--but they did get away with things that would not be tolerated these days. Auto theft, bodily assault (ranging from the "typical" type to typing over occupied outhouses and rolling them down hills), assaulting police officers (running their vehicles off roads into ponds), cattle rustling, arson, and far more.

 

[John Mastrocco]

Check out rates per 100,000 population - by state as well as overall.



Like I said, some places are worse, some about the same. I didn't check them all, so some may be better, but I doubt it.



NY is about the same, believe it or not.

 

[Thomas Rogers]

- Slapped in my mouth by my third grade teacher



- Had chalk whipped at my head for talking by my 6th grade teacher



- Grabbed by the back of the neck and thrown into lockers by my 7th grade Science teacher





Of course, I graduated from HS 21 years ago (damn), but guess what...I deserved all of those things, and for each I prayed my Dad wouldn't find out.



Oh, and I was a very well-behaved straight-A honor student.



The point is, kids act up. It didn't hurt me, and those little redirections kept me in line.



TJR

 

[Fred]

We must have gone to the same school TJR!



I'm glad I was made at home and at school to behave like a human being instead of an animal.



I used to feel sorry for the soccer mom's when I'd see them in the grocery store with their little angels kicking and hitting them and just being a little monster. Soccer mommy thinks it's bad to discipline them. Now, I laugh to myself and think if she's stupid enough to let it happen, keep on kicking you little bugger! Mom deserves it.

 

[Bill V]

TJR--



Sounds like my experience growing up, except for two key differences--most of the time my parents also found out and dished out their own justice; and most of the time I wasn't deserving of it, but got it anyway, simply because a teacher in this small-town school had some burr up their @ss and abused their power, or because some teacher was too lazy to investigate untrue allegations. So yes, I'm opposed to that kind of disciplinary action, because in my experience, it gives power to teachers that corrupts some of them, and it is too easily misused.

 

[walter clark]

Dont get me wrong guys I have and would in the future use corpral punishment if it is warrented. I have only had to warm the bottom on very rare occasions. I honestly feel that if it is more than that frequency that perhaps you need to question your other parenting techniques and abilities. Yes my spelling sucks... I am a victom of the lazy generation and I realy pray some day for spell check on this web site:unsure: . Oh and sure we got allot more ways to dupe, screw and harm our fellow man but basicly its still the same ol thing. Your either killing, hurting , damageing, stealing or my favorite whoreing (and they say the oldest). Also drugs have ben around a looooonnnnggg time we just didnt quite understand there impact on society. Anyway I realy think one very valuable thing we taught our daughter from this is that you dont have to be a victim of a wrong to stand up and fight (the right way not fits and fists) for your ideals. That conviction and a voice can make a diffrence sometimes, so why not speak up and demand accountability especialy when its our goverment and its orginizations. I only hope she can spell better than me but I think she allredy can.

 

[Thomas Rogers]

See my post about spellcheck...