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Mark Potterf

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Just got a deal from les swab on used wrangler rst. Yes I know there crapy tires, but they fit my holiday budget. So I hade them sipe the tires is this a improvement for the north west or a wast of money? I had them check the suspention, shocks, and, brakes they said no problems.
 
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Vince, when you look at snow/ice tires there's slices cut into the treads for added traction and stopping on ice, that's siping. Mudders and offroaders do this as well to channel away water from the tires more.
 
That's so cool that they can do it to existing tires! I really didn't want to shop for dedicated snow/ice tires, and find a place to store the other tires this winter. This looks like an answer to my prayers!

 
I found a place down the street that's going to do mine (with warranty) for $15/tire. For that price, I'll keep my fat butt on the couch and let the shop do the dirty work! :haveabeer:

 
I siped mine around 6k, after slidding through an intersection.

When back there a few days later and the ST stopped way better.



It will extend the useful life of the tires.



I sipe all my tires now on all my autos.



 
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Got all five tires siped today. Took 30 minutes at a Discount tire store that's a five minute drive from where I live. Talk about convenient!



So far I haven't noticed any dramatic improvements. It's not like having a set of true snow/ice tires. But considering that the streets are covered with a solid sheet of ice, with more snow on top, I can't expect miracles. After all, melting ice on melting ice is the slipperiest thing known to man. Can't wait for a road trip and fresh snow on Monday!

 
Got some ice time, no traction at first had to slow down little less gas. Made it up a 14% grade hill on ice with siped tires. Still not as good as the Fortera tires that killed the st suspension.
 
I got some serious snow testing in this Christmas. The snow started on Christmas Eve morning (12/24, Friday). I left Chicago Executive airport at 11:30AM for Midway airport in a Town Car that I had hired. By the time my friend's flight arrived (only 30 minutes late), all bags were found and we headed for the highway, the snow was really coming down. This was around 2PM. I saw more 2-car collisions by the side of the road on the trip from Midway to Northbrook than I've ever seen. Just about every single one that I saw was a SUV-SUV crash. We got my friend and her luggage inside, and me back to Executive by 3:30. By this time there was roughly 4" of accumulation and 1/2 mile visibility.



The plow guy had been through, leaving a V-shaped patch of snow around my ST, including the unplowed area where previous snowfalls remained. Backing out was no problem, though I saw the traction control light more times that day than during the 9 months since I bought it. I went straight back to my friend's home, and ran errands including driving down an unplowed, unimproved dirt road to the house where her dog was staying.



I kept it in the default "Auto" setting, and had no drama, aside the usual rumble of the front brakes when I made a tight turn in deep snow over a gravel driveway.



Driving home after dark was a whole 'nother deal. The temps had dropped below freezing and the system snowfall was being augmented by lake effect snow. This effectively doubled the snowfall rate to 2" per hour. Most of the salt that had been spread on the main roads in the morning was gone, and replaced by hidden patches of black ice...covered by snow.



My conclusion is that the siping job did make a noticeable difference on both ice and snow. I don't think that they could sipe the asymmetric tread blocks with diagonal grooves in the middle; only the big rectangular blocks were siped. That's OK since the tire patch moves to the outer edge where the sipes are when turning. So when I turned on an icy patch, I ended up mostly in the same lane that I turned from. Others around me ended up 2 or three lanes away on the same turn. Before I got siped, I had to do a lot more wheel turning, throttle induced oversteering and rely more on the computers to keep me in the correct lane.



Note that I'm really talking about right turns. If you make a proper single apex left turn, you have at least 10 times the radius, so it's far easier to turn left in bad weather. The problem is that most US drivers make double apex turns, driving from the end of one center island to the next, making their second apex when they run out of lanes to drive across diagonally. :angry:
 
I had the Wrangler tires on my new 2003 Sport Trac siped at Discount tire. It works great to improve wet weather traction on tires like Wranglers that have the big hard blocks of tread. Siping gives greater flex to those large tread blocks and allows the tire to get a better grip on the pavement, especially in wet weather.



Having the tires siped at $10 each (back in 2003) made the tires tolerable in wet weather otherwise I would have had to buy new tires because I cannot stand tires with poor wet weather traction, and the stand Wranglers are about as bad as they get.



We don't get much snow or ice down here in central Texas, so I cannot tell you if they do anything for traction on ice, and I don't think they would do much for traction in snow.



...Rich
 
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