James Kerr
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True, true. I didnt think of that because I live in south FL where its very flat.
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Richard Kolb
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If you need to use the e-brake to keep yourself from rolling backwards you don't know how to drive a manual transmission. I've been driving manual transmissions for 18 years and never had to do that, and I've lived in both the Adirondacks and the White Mountains. Nothing but hills. I've also never had to do any fancy maneuvers to press the e-brake in my truck.
I don't think you could order a manual transmission in anything but an XLS, and they didn't have rear A/C so that should answer the question, as long as I'm right.
I don't think you could order a manual transmission in anything but an XLS, and they didn't have rear A/C so that should answer the question, as long as I'm right.
Kevin Lang
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Too many people with manual transmissions (and automatics) roll back when starting from stops on inclines. Some a few inches, others a few feet. It is dangerous and unprofessional, the sign of someone who should be a passenger instead of a driver.
Using 2 feet in an automatic prevents this, amidst controversy. Using the e-brake in a manual is an easy way to prevent this.
Does a manual driver need the ebrake to do this? No, but it is the easiest method, and considering that in manual driving downshifting to engine brake when approaching a stop as well as double clutching are lost techniques, the easy way is the only way the masses will take to solve this issue.
In England one is required to use the handbrake with a manual during stops in order to get licensed to drive a manual, and the lights go yellow before green to signal you to release said handbrake.
I would certainly hope not. The e-brake is supposed to be easily accessible, if you had to go through fancy maneuvers to press it, it'd be useless in an emergency. :grin:
Also, if you haven't ever done any sliding about, have you really driven? If you haven't experienced a controlled slide, how will you have any experience for when an accidental slide from something like water or ice sends you spinning down the road?
Manual transmissions were available in 01 and 02, and in those years there were no 3-letter model designations, so technically this is false. :grin:
Using 2 feet in an automatic prevents this, amidst controversy. Using the e-brake in a manual is an easy way to prevent this.
Does a manual driver need the ebrake to do this? No, but it is the easiest method, and considering that in manual driving downshifting to engine brake when approaching a stop as well as double clutching are lost techniques, the easy way is the only way the masses will take to solve this issue.
In England one is required to use the handbrake with a manual during stops in order to get licensed to drive a manual, and the lights go yellow before green to signal you to release said handbrake.
I would certainly hope not. The e-brake is supposed to be easily accessible, if you had to go through fancy maneuvers to press it, it'd be useless in an emergency. :grin:
Also, if you haven't ever done any sliding about, have you really driven? If you haven't experienced a controlled slide, how will you have any experience for when an accidental slide from something like water or ice sends you spinning down the road?
Manual transmissions were available in 01 and 02, and in those years there were no 3-letter model designations, so technically this is false. :grin:
Richard Kolb
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Since when is the e-brake required to do a controlled slide?
Don Pertz
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I have a 4x4 2003 standard shift 5 speed XLT.....so I guess that blows that theory.
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Mike S 3
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Found one! its a heck of a trip from STL to Texas, but im considering it..
Thomas Rogers
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KL talking out of his arse again. ;-)
GM starting pedal e-brake...I doubt it. Not as a general statement. I saw pedal e-brakes in cars WAY before I ever saw a hand brake.
Needing to do some fancy gyrations to engage disengage the ebrake. I guess if you lived in SF on a hill you might need to do that, but for most of us that's not an issue. Take off the ebrake, then start your car. Stop your car then engage the ebrake. No need for three feet as he seems to be describing. Heck, even if parking on hills IF you feel the need to gyrate as described you probably don't know what you are doing and shouldn't have a manual trans anyway. ;-)
Chin up KL.
Just messing with you. You spouted an absolute. Essential? No. Desired? Maybe. Useful? Probably!
P.S. I see from latter posts that you restated your message as an opinion that an hand ebrake can make things easier, safer, especially for novice man-trans drivers. That makes it a "nice to have", not an "essential."
Keep on trac'in.
TJR
GM starting pedal e-brake...I doubt it. Not as a general statement. I saw pedal e-brakes in cars WAY before I ever saw a hand brake.
Needing to do some fancy gyrations to engage disengage the ebrake. I guess if you lived in SF on a hill you might need to do that, but for most of us that's not an issue. Take off the ebrake, then start your car. Stop your car then engage the ebrake. No need for three feet as he seems to be describing. Heck, even if parking on hills IF you feel the need to gyrate as described you probably don't know what you are doing and shouldn't have a manual trans anyway. ;-)
Chin up KL.
Just messing with you. You spouted an absolute. Essential? No. Desired? Maybe. Useful? Probably!
P.S. I see from latter posts that you restated your message as an opinion that an hand ebrake can make things easier, safer, especially for novice man-trans drivers. That makes it a "nice to have", not an "essential."
Keep on trac'in.
TJR
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