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I have a '03 4x4. I've been playing with the ScanGuage II that I have, and have been monitoring the tranny temperatures on it. I seem to be in the 160 to 165F range most of the time.



Was wondering what I should be looking for to indicate it's begining to overheat? I'll be towing about 3800 lbs in a week or so, and I'm sure I'll see a difference. But...how hot is too hot?
 
Just back from one trip and leaving on another...



The tranny did ok with moderate hills, but if I pushed it, it approached 190 degrees, and once got to 199 for a short period... Ouch...



I'm installing a tranny cooler tonight...
 
FWIW, when researching this for my Expedition (which ran hot) I was told that sustained temps above 210-220 and traditional fluids start to degrade rapidly. If that occurs a fluid change is advised. Running a synthetic tranny fluid can also help if you are towing a lot and running hot most of the time as it can handle hotter temps without degrading, and in itself can also lower your temps a bit...



As a side note, after installing an accurate temp guage in my Expy's tranny I did notice how ambient temperatures really affected the tranny temps (more so than I thought). On a really hot day is likely the time when you need to pay more attention.



In your case the temps sound pretty typical in normal and towing mode and not overly alarming in my opinion...



Cheers;

Eric
 
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I'm not really that alarmed, but the temps ran routinely in the 180 range. I didn't really push it hard, and the hills were not all that big. Ambient temps were in the low 70s though...



However, I'm headed to West Virginia next week, and the grade on the southbound WV toll road is a long 5-6% one(let alone the other hills I will be on). Maybe if I took it easy I'd be ok, but I'll feel better with the cooler installed(and I hope the tranny will too!;) )



I have been getting a fluid flush every 20,000 miles with synthetic, with a filter change every other service, so I should be ok there. With many of the stories I have heard of the tranny problems, I have been very carefull with it. Now have 103,000 miles on her and still going strong!



Thanks for the help and info on what you found.
 
I'll post one more item here. Just back from a trip to WV, where I met some bigger hills than I ever have. ST did fine, but I'm real glad I had the additional tranny cooler.



Some observations:



Conditions

'03ST, 4:10 rear, 4x4, 255/R70-16 Michelin LTX M/S, towing 3800lb trailer with a frontal dimensions of 8'x7', 300lbs of gear in ST, all weights measured on a scale, additional 8400BTU tranny cooler, Air temp for all measurment about 85F, full synthetic tranny fluid, all temps measured at 55-60 mph



Flatland Non-towing OD OFF: Tranny temps in the 140-145 range. Water temp 195.

Flatland Non-towing OD ON: Tranny temps in the 140-145 range. Water temp 190.



Flatland Towing OD OFF Tranny temp 160. Water temp 200.

Flatland Towing OD ON Tranny temp 165. Water temp 195-200.



Mountain Towing: OD ON Tranny was hunting as I was going over moderate ups and downs. Left OD on until tranny temp got to 195, and then switched it off to let things cool down. Water temps peaked at 215. Not possible to leave on in steep uphill because it would automatically downshift out of OD and stay out...



Mountain Towing: OD OFF Going up 4-6% grades for about 30 miles. Let tranny downshift as needed to maintain 55-60 mph. Tranny temp peaked at 183. Water temp at 216. Had no problem keeping up the speed, but I was at ~ 4200 rpm. I let the ST choose what gear to be in. I did not manually downshift.



Observations: The more the tranny had to shift, the faster the tranny temp went up, especially if is was under a heavy load when it shifted. 10 degree rises in 30 seconds was not uncommon. Water temp also went up with rpm and amount of work the engine was having to do(measured by my feel of the gas pedal as the cruise was working to keep it at speed). Tranny temps took a while to cool down after getting heated up(5-15 minutes). Water temp came down fast after the load was off(2-5 minutes).



After 12 hours of driving in mountains, rolling hills and dead flat NW Ohio, a couple of things became clear. If the tranny is not downshifting out of OD on highway overpasses on flat land(especially if fighting a headwind, it will do that..), then leave it in OD. As it starts to downshift on slight hills, use your judgement, but even downshifting once every 10 minutes is enough to keep the tranny temps elevated. In the hills, remember that every time it shifts, it makes heat. OD is just another shift, and more heat. Best to leave it off. In the mountains, no doubt, leave it off and let the temps recover whenever possible on the easier stretches.



And... If you are going to tow any distances or in the mountains, an additional tranny cooler WILL be a big asset. Mine dropped tranny temps by 20 degrees in nontowing and towing, and allowed faster cooling when things did heat up than just the stock one alone...



This was my 1st time towing in mountains with the ST, and although I may have been ok with just the stock cooler, the Scan Guage showed what was really going on.





 
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ChrisT,



Thanks for the test results. Interesting to see how the temps were affected by different configurations.

:cool:
 
ChrisT



How are you able to monitor the tran. temp with the ScanGaugeII? I would like to do the same. I have the gauge but don't find the transmission temp as one of the outputs. Am I just looking in the wrong place? Or, have you dome something special.

 
do Not think the scan gauge can monitor Tranny temps, Thats not seen by the OBD port.

On the other Hand I think the SG2 may have some upgrades.

cannot find tranny temps on mine.
 
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Yes, it can monitor the tranny temps. I have the ScanGauge II with X-gauge. See the link below. Click the X-gauge button up top...



Had to go to their site and find the right codes to enter into the scanner to get the tranny temps to read out. It's not in the normal things that the scanguage looks for, but it is available...:)



That's why I bought the ScanGauge, so I could monitor the tranny temps when towing. Easier than installing a seperate tranny temp guage, and I get all the other data too. I use it on the Honda Civic also, to see what kind on milage I'm getting.
 
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I think it depends on what version of the ScanGaugeII you have. I have the one with the X-Gauge(Extended Gauges) option. Check out the owners manuals online and see if your unit has a choice to go to an x-gauge. The x-gauge part starts on page 24 of the manual in the link below. Sounds like you can upgrade the ScanGauge II to include the X-Gauge option too. Their web site explains how...



Link for upgrades: http://www.scangauge.com/support/upgrade.shtml
 
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