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I was parroting back the Republican Party line to demonstrate how ridiculous it sounds.



Parroting or not, I'd rather have our trained and equipped soldiers fighting in Iraqiganistan, Iran, Syria, "Palestein", etc than have our unarmed civilians fighting terrorists in our own border.



If we can kill 100 Al-Queda in Iraq, that may save the lives of 10x more in the US someday. I'm sorry for the loss of ~3,000 US troops, however, this war has been going on over there for nearly 5 years. Do you realize that the US military lost 2500 good men IN ONE DAY (called D-Day)? 5 years... 3000 thousand soldiers. That equates to 1.65 soldiers per day. Compare that to 2500 in one day....



Perspective? The US lost 295,000+ soldiers in 4 years of WWII. I guess it was too big a quagmire to fight and we pulled out, right? Das ist lächerlich (that is ridiculous), or for those of you in Alaska, Hawaii and California それはばかばかしい.



Fight on brothers!
 
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Shek,



The "fight them over there, so we don't have to fight them over here" argument only holds water if ALL the terrorists in the world are in Iraq. I'd rather our troops were available to fight the REAL war on terror, by being used for enforcement of an intelligent foreign policy, sometimes as a broad deterrence (in the case of N. Korea and Iran, for example) and lethal efficiency when truly neccessary.



The irony is, Iraq was much more stable and predictable with Saddam in power, than it is now.
 
This is an email I received, take it for what it's worth. Don't want to start another political debate here, but it seems there is plenty of blame to go around.



Folks:



Thanks to Bill Bell, a friend and former military officer for sending the following message from a retired Sergeant Major relating to the serious issues facing our country and society. The good Seargent has a pretty direct way of expressing himself, 'pulling no punches'. He has his facts right and makes his feelings clear as a bell. Regards, Phil







Subject: No punches pulled

Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:45:13 -0500



It's about time somebody said what a lot of us wish we could have put as succinctly. This retired Army fellow puts into words what many are afraid to say, or ill-equipped to do themselves. Don't believe I saw one politically correct statement in the entire e-mail!!! On target.



J.D. Pendry is a retired Army Command Sergeant Major who writes for Random House.



Although a bit reticent, J.D. finally gets around to what he wants to say.



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Jimmy Carter, you're the father of the Islamic Nazi movement. You threw the Shah under the bus, welcomed the Ayatollah home and then lacked the spine to confront the terrorists when they took our embassy and our people hostage. You're the runner-in-chief.





Bill Clinton, you played ring around the Lewinsky while the terrorists were at war with us. You got us into a fight with them in Somalia , and then you ran from it. Your weak-willed responses emboldened the killers. Each time you failed to respond adequately they grew bolder, until 9/11.



John Kerry, dishonesty is your most prominent attribute. You lied about American Soldiers in Vietnam . Your military service, like your life, is more fiction than fact. You've accused our Soldiers of terrorizing women and children in Iraq . You called Iraq the wrong war, wrong place, wrong time , the same words you used to describe Vietnam . You're a fake. You want to run from Iraq and abandon the Iraqis to murderers just as you did the Vietnamese. Iraq, like Vietnam is another war that you were for, before you were against it.



John Murtha, you said our military was broken. You said we can't win militarily in Iraq . You accused United States Marines of cold-blooded murder without proof. And said we should redeploy to Okinawa . Okinawa John? And the Democrats call you their military expert. Are you sure you didn't suffer a traumatic brain injury while you were off building your war hero resume? You're a sad, pitiable, corrupt and washed up politician. You're not a Marine sir. You wouldn't amount to a pimple on a real Marines butt. You're a phony and a disgrace. Run away John.



Dick Durbin, you accused our Soldiers at Guantanamo of being Nazis, tenders of Soviet style gulags and as bad as the regime of Pol Pot who murdered two million of his own people after your party abandoned South East Asia to the Communists. Now you want to abandon the Iraqis to the same fate. History was not a good teacher for you, was it? See Dick run.



Ted Kennedy, for days on end you held poster sized pictures from Abu Grhaib in front of any available television camera. Al Jazeera quoted you saying that Iraqs torture chambers were open under new management. Did you see the news this week Teddy? The Islamic Nazis demonstrated real torture for you again. If you truly supported our troops, you'd show the world poster-sized pictures of that atrocity and demand the annihilation of the perpetrators of it. Your legislation stripping support from the South Vietnamese led to a communist victory there. You're a bloated fool bent on repeating the same historical blunder that turned freedom-seeking people over to homicidal, genocidal maniacs. To paraphrase John Murtha, all while sitting on your wide, gin-soaked rear-end in Was
 
itchy,

You GO, boy!!!!

Excellent Re-post!

And think of Osama Bin Laden/Timothy McVeigh, to top off that post.

"Kill Them All", and let the Marines sort them out, or something like that!!!

Our country has two enemies.. Those who want to destroy us from the outside and those who attempt it from within.:eek:
 
The "fight them over there, so we don't have to fight them over here" argument only holds water if ALL the terrorists in the world are in Iraq. I'd rather our troops were available to fight the REAL war on terror, by being used for enforcement of an intelligent foreign policy, sometimes as a broad deterrence (in the case of N. Korea and Iran, for example) and lethal efficiency when truly neccessary.



In the case of the broken lines that our military is stretched too thin to do any good, let me show you a few facts about our troop levels:



In 2004, there were ~1,426,836 soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines in the US military (which thanks to the Clinton Administration is 1/3 less than we had in 1991). To date, there are 211,028 stationed in Iraq (14.7%), 9,000 in Afghanistan (.064%), 951 in Bosnia (.0067%) and 37000 in South Korea (2.6%). In total, that equates to 257,979 s/s/a/m. So of a 1.4 million-man military, 18.1% have been deployed to "hostile" areas. What about the other 81.9% that are available to use elsewhere? Now these numbers do not include the pilots out of Whiteman AFB and similar who fly sorties out of the US or woldwide bases to support the War On Islamic Facism (who can be redirected to say N. Korea or Iran just as easily). We have SUPERIOR firepower to anyone in the world. Our Carrier Air Groups alone are unmatched. We have the most advanced weapon systems ever devised. We have aircraft that are invisble to radar (or atleast have the radar signiture of a Sparrow). The only way that the US has lost a war is when the media and politicians say we are loosing and the sheeple of America believe them. Personally, I think it speaks louder when our soldiers themselves come home and say "we are making headway" and "of the 13 provinces in Iraq, (2) are not in Allied control" or "we have built an infrastructure in Iraq that would have only been a dream 8 years ago".



Thanks to congressional action in the early 1990's, much of our troop strength has been limited (no more than 100,000 in Europe, etc).



Recently this has begun to change. Congress recently mandated a 20,000 troop increase, and are considering an additional 10,000 to the total troop strength (on the flip side, Rumsfield is fighting that. Why??!?). When Reagan left office, we had more than 780,000 Active Duty s/s/a/m.



Between 1990 and 2002, spending on the military in relation to GDP has diminished significantly. In WWII, the military spending levels were at 38% of GDP. in 2000, it was less than 4%.



Yes, not all the terrorists are in Iraq. But we have killed some 30,000 terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan that were intent on killing Christians, Jews, and Westeners all over the world.



Remember that we have to be perfect in fighting terror 100% of the time, terrorists just need to be right (1) time. The US will get castigated by the UN, the "Blame America First" croud and most of the world if we go above and beyond what "they" think is necessary. It's really time to quit pussy-footing around and kick some ass. A MOAB on Mecca has a nice ring to it.
 
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