Ford Scores Four of Top 10 Brands in Quality Survey
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James FreemanJr
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was just reading this and about to post.
Matthew W
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Gee, notice that in the top 10, NO G.M. or Chrysler products ?!?!?
Gavin Allan
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I wonder what the margin of error is for the results. Some of the numbers were pretty close.
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Toyota...moving backward
Tom
Tom
Rick Kent
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This is great news for all of us that only keep our cars for 90 days.
How about a survey of 3-7 year old cars with 30-80k miles and out of warranty. What is the quality of each brand then?
Anyone know of any formal surveys of this type?
How about a survey of 3-7 year old cars with 30-80k miles and out of warranty. What is the quality of each brand then?
Anyone know of any formal surveys of this type?
Gavin Allan
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Consumer Reports!
Rick Kent
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Consumer Reports is helpful but filled with too much anecdotal evidence. The information behind their surveys is consumer satisfaction/dissatisfaction with the auto they bought. Too much subjectiveness.
I was thinking more along the lines of Car & Driver long term tests (but for more than a year) where they document every nickel spent on the car for maintenance and repairs.
I was thinking more along the lines of Car & Driver long term tests (but for more than a year) where they document every nickel spent on the car for maintenance and repairs.
gary s
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fkent, thank you, well said .
tom, it goes like this . toyota..... a smart way of moving foward
tom, it goes like this . toyota..... a smart way of moving foward
I am not a fan of Consumer Reports. Their reports can be one sided.
One of the problems is perception. For example, lets say someone buys a Ford Focus. All of his friends say Fords are junk, so he has the deep down feeling, it is junk. Low and behold, he has a problem. "It is junk...They were right". He goes out and buys a Honda (or Toyota, Nissan, VW, etc.) and everyone tells him, "Those things last forever". He drives it nice and takes care of it. He has a problem. He thinks to himself "I must have been very unlucky". Time goes on, and he has another problem "I must be driving it wrong, these things last forever". etc.
He thinks the second car he got is better because everyone tells him so and his perception confirms it...to himself.
People have problems with everything. There is no such thing as a perfect vehicle. The best car in the world can have problems.
Tom
One of the problems is perception. For example, lets say someone buys a Ford Focus. All of his friends say Fords are junk, so he has the deep down feeling, it is junk. Low and behold, he has a problem. "It is junk...They were right". He goes out and buys a Honda (or Toyota, Nissan, VW, etc.) and everyone tells him, "Those things last forever". He drives it nice and takes care of it. He has a problem. He thinks to himself "I must have been very unlucky". Time goes on, and he has another problem "I must be driving it wrong, these things last forever". etc.
He thinks the second car he got is better because everyone tells him so and his perception confirms it...to himself.
People have problems with everything. There is no such thing as a perfect vehicle. The best car in the world can have problems.
Tom
Josh Langel
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Tom:
To begin with, cars are not built as well as they should be. Companies have been building them for decades (some over 100 years), but still they have a lot of problems.
Bingo! Why do you think people buy "American cars" over the "imports?" Even though the "import" is built and made up of more American parts than the "American car," people will still believe that one hundred percent of the money spent on it goes straight into the foreigner's pockets.
Commercials are the same way.
But, if this is the case, then nobody's word means a damn thing.
I prefer to reserve my judgment until I have driven the vehicle/owned the vehicle.
My judgement:
(Out of 10; 10 being best quality)
(Quality= comfort, # of problems 10K miles)
2001 ST: 6 - owned 2 years/ 43k miles ------- problems impeding me from driving: 0
2004 Titan: 3 - owner 4 months/ 4k miles ------- problems impeding me from driving: 1 - engine replace
2005 ST: 5 - owned 14 months/ 34k miles ------- problems impeding me from driving: 1 - engine stall issue never diagnosed
Tundra: 9 - owned 18 months / 34k miles ------- problems impeding me from driving: 0
Best overall: Toyota
Most fun to drive: 2001 ST
Most headaches: 2004 Titan
Best looking: 2005 ST
To begin with, cars are not built as well as they should be. Companies have been building them for decades (some over 100 years), but still they have a lot of problems.
Bingo! Why do you think people buy "American cars" over the "imports?" Even though the "import" is built and made up of more American parts than the "American car," people will still believe that one hundred percent of the money spent on it goes straight into the foreigner's pockets.
Commercials are the same way.
But, if this is the case, then nobody's word means a damn thing.
I prefer to reserve my judgment until I have driven the vehicle/owned the vehicle.
My judgement:
(Out of 10; 10 being best quality)
(Quality= comfort, # of problems 10K miles)
2001 ST: 6 - owned 2 years/ 43k miles ------- problems impeding me from driving: 0
2004 Titan: 3 - owner 4 months/ 4k miles ------- problems impeding me from driving: 1 - engine replace
2005 ST: 5 - owned 14 months/ 34k miles ------- problems impeding me from driving: 1 - engine stall issue never diagnosed
Tundra: 9 - owned 18 months / 34k miles ------- problems impeding me from driving: 0
Best overall: Toyota
Most fun to drive: 2001 ST
Most headaches: 2004 Titan
Best looking: 2005 ST
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Josh,
Lets not forget, when you were driving the Titan, you thought it was SO comfortable, so well built, rode so good, etc.
Are you "just" saying that about your Tundra too. (I am not saying you are lying or anything, but you were super impressed with the Titan when you had it and bashed Ford on how much better the Titan was)
Tom
Lets not forget, when you were driving the Titan, you thought it was SO comfortable, so well built, rode so good, etc.
Are you "just" saying that about your Tundra too. (I am not saying you are lying or anything, but you were super impressed with the Titan when you had it and bashed Ford on how much better the Titan was)
Tom
TomT
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They may not be perfect but they are probably the most unbiased reports you can get. I've heard the accusations and whining about CU: "Boo hoo, only owners of domestic cars report problems". ********. If you believe that then I've got some property in Russia you may be interested in.
I personally feel Consumer Reports is biased in their reports.
There have been instances where one model, with a Japanese name plate, gets better ratings than their twin with a domestic label.
Tom
There have been instances where one model, with a Japanese name plate, gets better ratings than their twin with a domestic label.
Tom
TomT
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Back when I had my Mazda B3000, which of course is just a Ford Ranger, I had several friends that had Rangers and they all had similar problems (mostly electrical) that I never experienced with my Mazda. So who knows? Maybe it comes down to the plant that builds them and not necessarily the vehicle.
Same identical plant they were both built at. Side by side.
This isn't things like fit and finish. It was engine and tranny reliability.
I was better off going to the parts store and telling them it was a Mazda 323 and not a Mercury Tracer. If I told them it was a Tracer, they would give me parts for a Topaz.
Tom
This isn't things like fit and finish. It was engine and tranny reliability.
I was better off going to the parts store and telling them it was a Mazda 323 and not a Mercury Tracer. If I told them it was a Tracer, they would give me parts for a Topaz.
Tom
Gavin Allan
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At least if you told them it was a 323 they would have given you the good parts, not the low quality ones they sell for the tracer... :lol:
Josh Langel
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Tom: It's fair to say I like it the most out of the four vehicles I have owned and I do believe it is the best quality. Titan had 4k miles, Tundra 34k miles. Yes, I can say that it was better.
BTW, Weds I pick up my new Toyota!
BTW, Weds I pick up my new Toyota!
What did you end up getting?
Tom
Tom
Josh Langel
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Silver, 2007 RAV4 Sport V6 4WD, sunroof, JBL 6 disc audio system, tow prep (larger alternator, fan, radiator), Blue Tooth phone controls, and more....5 Star crash tests, Side curtain airbags 269HP engine, 21/28MPG.. it's really a kick ass ride!
I didn't need the Tundra anymore and I wanted something smaller...
Looked at Edge (underpowered, blindspots), Escape (Sloppy around the curves), Volvo XC90 (Awesome, but $$$), Land Rover LR3 ($$$$), BMW X3 ($$$ and not that impressive---Rav4 beats it 0-60), Mazda's SUV (style--yuck), Honda CR-V (great quality feel, but underpowered), GMC Acadia (Beautiful, but MPG vs MSRP vs no deals)....
So after negotiating like hell, I decided on the Rav4. It's really quite nice once you look at it and take it for a spin.
