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I know there are some A/V people on this site, so I thought this might be a good forum for this question...



I'm needing to run an HDMI cable about 20 feet total, through wall and attic space. I see on sites like Amazon many 25' cables which, when compared to what's available at sites like bestbuy and walmart, are dirt cheap. Is this a case where "cheap" means "avoid"? Or are they of at least workable quality, such that I'll be happy with one of them for my very basic closet-to-TV run? Recommendations?



Thanks!



Bill
 
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Amazon's feedback section under the item is usually spot on. Folks have no issue telling you if the product doesn't work well. I'd suggest seeing what other folks have said about the particular cables you're considering.
 
Bill- Monster Cable has made custom, extended length HDMI cables for us, as long as 50 feet, with no apparent degradation or issues.

As with most high bandwidth or digital connections, they either work or they don't. 20 feet should be no problem. My gripe are the "USB type" end connectors used on HDMI.

I would buy the length required, and test it before you put it in wall, or permanently install it. You can even purchase 90 degree, right angle adapters, if needed.

Hopefully, there are "real" custom installers that can chime in regarding this. Good Luck.
 
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I'm certainly not a custom installer, but I got a 35' HDMI cable from monoprice CHEAP. Really, there is no need to spend crazy $$$ on a cable. I've got it from my PC through the wall, up over the drop ceiling to my TV on the other side of the room. Play PC games and watch videos on the big screen. I've ordered plenty from monoprice, and have always been pleased.
 
Monoprice.com, you probably won't find a better price and I've never had a problem with any of their cables. I agree with Steve though, test it before you run it. Digital cables will basically work or not work.
 
Just my opinion.......



Walmart very seldom has any electronics prices that can't be beat. Especially accessories. Same with BestBuy. That's where they make up for some of their low prices. I rarely get in the car and go shopping. As long as you don't want it right away, know what you want, online is the way to go. Sign up for Bing and get cash back. Course I'm 45 minutes from any decent shopping places. My wife gives me crap about spending time online to shop, but it's an hour and a half for me just to get to town and back. And like was said above, pretty much a cable is a cable.
 
Thanks everyone!



A follow up question, aimed primarily at "Steve the Installer" :) , but I'm open to everyone's input:



In the bedroom, the wires are going to be coming out of the wall behind the TV--but the TV is going to be mounted near the ceiling, cantilevered at an angle away from the wall, with a chair below, and therefore the wiring will be seen more than, say, a typical living room installation. There will be four wires coming through the hole in the wall at that location--the HDMI going to the TV, a toslink digital audio connection going from the TV, a coax cable for the OTA antenna in, and a shielded coax for a remote repeater. (Yes, Dan, that's the one I got from you. Still haven't gotten it installed.)



What's going to be my best bet to have a reasonably "clean" look? There is currently a standard electrical box installed in the wall (by the original builder) with the antenna feed coming out it; I'm anticipating using that same box for all four of these cables. Am I going to want to get a keystone plate and put in four keystones for my wires? It would be clean--but then I'm going to need to buy 2 HDMI cables (one for in-the-wall, and one for connecting from the keystone to the TV), 2 toslink cables, etc. Or is there a cover plate of some sort that I should be looking at, that the cables can pass through, but which is still going to look far cleaner than a basic hole-in-the-wall? Ideally, I'd like to use a similar approach in the closet as well--where I'll not only have these four cables to deal with, but all the speaker wiring connections as well.



Thanks again!!!
 
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Monoprice +1 !!!!!



Todd Z
 
Get one of the HDMI plates from Lowes, etc. They are ivory/white/brown and have a large slot covered by what looks like brush bristles. Works great for my living room!
 
i can grab you a cable from best buy thats about 35ft that are monster 900 or 1000



they sell for 250 for the 1000 but ill check my prices on them today when i go in
 
Thanks everyone!



Dan, I think that's just what the doctor ordered! Thanks!



Les, yes, in theory, I can come through the attic--but both my wife and I agree that in our particular installation, it'll look better coming from the wall. Especially since there's the already existing box for the antenna feed. Otherwise, I'd be all over that idea. :)



Reaper, it's prices like that which I'm trying to avoid. A similar cable on amazon, monoprice, etc., will run under $30...
 
Bill,



Definitely go to monoprice. I have used them many, many times without a problem. When I finished the basement I purchased a 75 foot hdmi cable from them and it is excellent! Also, bought many other shorter hdmi, dvi, vga, cat 6, speaker and of course the wall plates for everything. You will not find this quality for the price anywhere else!



George
 
From my readings.You dont need the most expensive cables. The cheap ones do just as well with data and audio video transfer. I will see if I can find the article.
 
Don't waste your money on Monster. Overpriced for what they do.



Digital signals are either on or off, and any wire can transmit that.
 
HDMI vs. component video



2/12/2008







Q. I recently purchased a 50-inch plasma television. Component video cables were included. Would HDMI cables provide a better connection than the component video cables? Also, Im confused by the pricing of HDMI cables. Ive seen them for $5. Ive seen other HDMI cables that far exceed $100. What should I look for when selecting HDMI cables?



A. Is HDMI or component video better? At the risk of sounding ambivalent, there are two answers to this question: It depends and HDMI.



One type of cable isnt inherently better than the other. There are several factors that affect the quality of a connection.



Lets start with a description of each type of cable.



HDMI is a digital connection. It transfers video and audio between gadgets like DVD players and televisions. It is capable of transmitting high-definition content. It separates video into three different channels: red, green and blue.



In contrast, component video is an analog connection. Like HDMI, it is used on a variety of gadgets. It only transmits video. However, it too can transfer high-definition signals. Video is separated into red, green and blue channels.



Most people believe that analog is inferior to digital. Digital gadgets must convert signals when sending and receiving them over an analog cable. For example, the signal from a DVD player is converted from digital to analog. The television receives the signal and converts it back to digital.



In theory, digital signals dont need to be converted when sent and received over a digital cable. However, the information can be encoded in different ways. Also, the signal may not correspond between gadgets.



For example, DVD recordings have non-square pixels. A televisions pixels are square. So, a television needs to scale the signal from a DVD player.



You may assume that digital-to-digital conversion is better than analog-to-digital conversion. This isnt necessarily true. It could be worse. The quality depends on how your gear processes the signal. It isnt easy to judge the conversion without actually viewing the end result.



You also need to consider the length of a cable. Analog cables are good at transmitting signals over a relatively long distance. On the other hand, as a digital cable gets longer, data loss is more likely. This can result in pixel dropouts. The picture will look sparkly.



Both HDMI and component video cables are capable of transferring high-definition signals. Theoretically, you could use either to connect a Blu-ray player to an HDTV and get a full-quality picture.



Consider HDCP



In practice, though, youll probably run up against HDCP. This copy- protects content by encrypting it. HDCP-compliant gadgets cant transmit high-definition content over analog connections.



So, for HDCP-compliant gadgets, HDMI is a better choice than component video.



The quality of the cables is important, no matter which type of cable you choose. You want the cable to connect solidly to a gadget. The cable should also be well constructed.



But do you need to spend a lot to get a quality cable? Well, Ill tell you one thing: Im not spending $100 on a cable!



Do not overspend



Seriously, dont break the bank on a cable. I wont name any names, but manufacturers use marketing fluff to promote so-called premium cables. These cables wont provide a better picture than less expensive, quality cables.



Judging the quality of a cable can be difficult. But you could just rely on common sense.



I found HDMI cables for less than 50 cents on one Web site. No matter how good the reviews, I wouldnt trust these cables. Rather, I would just look for a reasonably priced cable from a trusted manufacturer.



For a component cable, youre looking at about $10. For HDMI cables, shoot for $20 to $30.



By the way, have you considered hooking your computer up to your new TV set? Youll never look at the Internet the same way again! I have a tip that will help you make the connection.















 
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Eddie- What's "Component Video"? The video only RGB connection, from the past, that renamed "Candlestick Park" in San Francisco, into "Monster Park".

Very short lived name, no longer is. Today, there is no better "DC to Light" connection, than HDMI. As for "high end" cables and interconnects, agree regarding "diminishing returns", depending on the application. On a Runco, or similar high end front projector, with a good audio system, the benefits are appreciable.



Bill V- Need to emphasize, I am not a custom installer. I am a partner and salesperson. Not a tech or tweak either, never will be, after 30 years, in this biz.

Are you using a dedicated Cable or Sat Box for this installation? You may only need a single HDMI cable and AC power cord from the wall, for this system. Don't know if the Toslink optical audio cable and the RG6 coax is necessary. Less wire is always better, to me. Spaghetti sucks and is less complicated, usually. What A/V components are you connecting in this room? Make sure you protect the HDMI ends before fishing through walls, very fragile pins, wrap with tape, etc.



 
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Thaks for the clarification Steve. Sorry about the confusion.



No cable or sat box, as we have no cable or sat service. In the closet will be:

The receiver

A Blueray player (likely just DVD at first, but a likely future upgrade)

A TivoHD unit (no, I'm not kidding--we use Tivo, even though we don't have cable/sat. We don't feel the need for the cable, but with three young kids, we do have the need to time shift program start times)

An IR signal repeater, so the components in the closet work when the remote is pointed at the TV



So in the wall, I'll have:

An HDMI cable, to transmit A/V from the receiver to the TV

A toslink cable, to transmit audio from the TV to the receiver

A shielded coax cable, used by the IR repeater to convey the signals

The main antenna feed, going from the antenna in the attic to both the TV and the Tivo unit

Speaker wire, from the receiver to each speaker
 

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