Infants on "No Fly" list?

[Tom Schindler]

Nelson,



Number 1 looks like <A href="http://imdb.com/name/nm0001724/">Tony Shalhoub</A>. According to the IMDB, he was born October 9, 1953 in Green Bay, Wisconson. He is Lebanese, but was born in the US.



Number 2 is <a href="http://imdb.com/name/nm0268026/">Jaime Farr</A>. According to the IMDB, he was born July 1, 1934 in Toledo, Ohio.



If I got the actors right, those two were born here in the USA. Looks like I got the smiley face.





Tom

 

[Gypsy me]

See without pics to match a name and other info, It's just judgement before facts. The list needs to be revised I think this would help tremendously. If there are infact look alikes, which is not too common, that few percent may have to go thru the process. And with the names in alphebetical order it would speed things along.

Regarding the child name, as long as there is a pic with date of birth next to the name, that should clear up the matter of the child flying. It would be much better way.



UNLESS, the person looking on the list can't read :blink:

 

[John Mastrocco]

The article states

"The Transportation Security Administration, which administers the lists, instructs airlines not to deny boarding to children under 12 — or select them for extra security checks — even if their names match those on a list."

So I guess whether the name is on the list or not shouldn't be an issue - especially for those under 2 years old. It is overzealous TSA and Airline employees that aren't familiar with the rules that are causing the issue with infants.



Kevin,



In this case, while what you are saying makes sense for adults, even the TSA doesn't agree when it comes to children. Or is the article incorrect on that point?

 

[Thomas Rogers]

Caymen says:

He is Lebanese, but was born in the US.

Ah, wouldn't that make him American and of Lebanese descent?



TJR

 

[Tom Schindler]

Nelson asked what is the birthplace of those men in the pictures. Tony Shalhoub, much like myself, was born in the US by one or more imigrant parents. My mother was born in Hannover, W. Germany. My fathers family was from Bern, Switzerland. His grandparents were born there, then came over to the US. They married only other Swiss peple, so my father is 100% Swiss.



While he may be Lebanese-American, I guess you could say I German/Swiss-American.



To be technical, there is only one such this as an American and that race is all but gone.





Tom

 

[David B]

Birthplace may not have much relevance but where they spent their youth (teens to early thirties) probably should be carefully considered. In addition to the other normal prevention methods, if they even look like they fit the profile then they should be considered for screening.



1-definitely screen

2-probably no screen - too old.

3-screen

4-probably no screen - looks european.

5-definitely screen

6-screen

 

[Shawn Hennessy]

It is rather funny that Edward Kennedy is on the no fly list. By the way, he is a terrorist bent on destroying our culture.

Mistaken identities

Well-known people like Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., and David Nelson, who starred in the sitcom “The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet,” also have been stopped at airports because their names match those on the lists.

 

[Thomas Rogers]

Just playing with you Caymen. I was just under the impression that if you were born in this country, lived here your whole life, then you are an American. Not French-American, not African American, not Lebanese American...AMERICAN.



Of course, I do understand that's an "old fashioned" viewpoint. It seems no one wants to admit to being an American anymore, nor do they want to give up their "culture".



I guess I long for the old days, around the turn of the last century when those coming here wanted NOTHING MORE than to be considered AMERICANS and wanted their children to be BORN AMERICANS!



TJR

 

[Tom Schindler]

Why hasn't Nelson said anything else since his last post?





Tom

 

[Mark Grumpy]

I AM AN AMERICAN. Was not born one though.



there you go TJR - just for you.



I get screened EVERY time I travel. White boy, brown hair blue eyes. I get screened because military tickets are always one way. Even if you have a return trip ticket, each is one way. It probably does not help that my passport has some rather suspicious places stamped in it.

 

[John Mastrocco]

Americans? Aren't Canadians and Mexicans and Peruvians and Brazillians and... and... ALL Americans?







US citizens are so possesive of the term "American" when in reality it applies to all the people of North, South and Central American.



Specifically we are US Americans.



:lol:



BTW: I am a US Citizen of Italian Descent, NOT an Italian-American. I am NOT a hyphenated citizen.

 

[Bill V]

Rocco--



I think people the world over associate the term "American" with being a US citizen. In most dictionaries, that is the primary definition. So from that aspect--no, Canadians, Mexicans, etc., are NOT American.



It's kind of like someone saying they're Caucasian--generally, it doesn't mean that they're from the Caucasus Mountains region, where the term originated.



And do you think ANYONE is actually going to use a term like "US Americans"? That has about as much chance as "United Statesians".

 

[Fer Echegaray]

I think people the world over associate the term "American" with being a US citizen.

Wrong.

Most people south of the border think like Rocco's description, and they associate American with being from the American continent, althought most also know that the US citizens use to call themselves Americans, with no distinction of country/continent.

 

[Nelson Atwell]

Yes, Caymen is right about the first two. I had a brain dump when I was typing. Both are of Lebanese descent, but born in the US. I guess the point was made though, that the color of one's skin or facial features isn't a good indicator of whether someone is a terrorist.



The reason why I didn't post earlier, is that I was busy last night. I took my daughter to the Green Day concert. I've also been very busy with my new job at work, so I have been working extra hours.



As far as the term "American" , I heard many in Europe refer to the "North Americans" which usually referred to US and Canadian citizens equally. I never heard the term applied to Mexicans, and I don't know why, because they are also in North America. As far as I am concerned, we should just consider ourselves one continent, since the cultural distinction of North America is becoming blurred by immigration. In any case, I am proud to be a North American.

 

[Tom Schindler]

Nelson,



I agree with you. Profiling doesn't catch all, but because 15 Arab people cross the line at the same time does not mean that we should let 14 go through and only check one. Check them all.



I was coming home from Europe and in front of us was an Arab guy. Customs checked his bag piece by piece. They felt the seams of his clothing for anything that could have been stuck in there. They tried removing the soles of his shoes that were in his bag, in case something was placed in the shoes then glued back together. Mom and I went right through customs.



Europe is a different matter. here in the USA, we are afraid to offend someone. They will ask you if they can search. In Europe, they search. If you say something, they take you to a private room and then they really search you.



Even after all the increased security measures, the US security at airports is a joke.





Tom



p.s. How was the Green Day concert?

 

[Nelson Atwell]

Tom,



Green Day was awesome, and Jimmy Eat World (their warm-up band) was also good. The sound guy wasn't very good on the Jimmy Eat World part though. The instruments were over-powering the vocals, so you could barely hear them singing during portions of the show.



Otherwise, it was a great show -- one of the best I have seen, and I used to go to a lot of concerts in the late 70's/early 80's. Listening to them, I realized they sound a bit like The Alarm which was a new-wave band from Australia. I always liked them too.



(Only downside was the political message that Green Day was pushing. They seemed to go a little further than being just anti-war -- they seemed to also be a bit anti-government (or at least anti-Bush). I am not a "hawk" myself, but I am pro-America and support whatever my government decides to do (afterall I have sworn to do so as part of my job). I would say I am "Pro-Peace", which in my mind means if we have to go to war, as a last result, to promote a greater peace in the future, then I am for it.)

 

[John Mastrocco]

Nelson,



My daughter was at that concert and I have to ask this one question:



How's your hearing?



:lol:

I would say I am "Pro-Peace", which in my mind means if we have to go to war, as a last result, to promote a greater peace in the future, then I am for it.)

So, does this mean you are ethically against the war in Iraq since it was far from a "last resort?" Doesn't "last resort" mean there are absoultely NO other reasonable options available?

 

[Tom Schindler]

The Album, American Idiot, does seem like it has a little Bush Bashing there.





Tom

 

[Bill V]

Quote:



"I think people the world over associate the term 'American' with being a US citizen."



Wrong.

Actually, no, it's not wrong.



First of all, there are plenty of places out there that use the term "American" to refer to the US specifically. When I was in Japan, I was constantly being asked or referred to as "American", and the intent was clearly meaning that I'm from the US, not from the western hemisphere (another misnomer--how do you define "west" when you're talking about a planet that is roughly spherical). Further, the Oxford and other British online dictionaries I've found have the first definition of "American" as referring to US citizens. On top of that, any time I've ever heard interviews of people in nearly any location in this world refer to "Americans", it is clear that they mean the US.



Secondly, even if it turns out that there are enough areas of the world that don't use the term that way, my statement is still true. I didn't say "people the world over associate the term 'American' with being a US citizen." I said that "I think" that this is the case. And unless/until compelling evidence is presented that convinces me otherwise, the fact that I think that is undeniably true.

 

[Nelson Atwell]

Rocco,



My hearing is still the same. My daughter is very responsible and insisted that we pick up some foam ear plugs at Walgreens on the way to the concert. We both wore them, and it worked very well to bring the volume to a reasonable level.