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Chet 02
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She's probably very lucky that's the only form of harassment done. he could have continued to use her flower garden as a little box.
Sounds like the parents can't control the kid. A lack of respect of your elders, plain and simple.
Tom
Tom
Tom, I do not see it as a lack of respect for elders. I see it as a boy who is hurt because he had to get rid of his pet cat. If they got rid of their cat because of her complaints about a cat doing what comes naturally, then she needs to lighten up and think back to her childhood pets. I personally would not have gotten rid of my cat just because a neighbor complained.
Ben Schepper
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Sounds like she was being an old coot... Your cats peeing in my flower bed. Im calling the cops... WAHHH
Thomas Rogers
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Caymen said:
Nice comment from Caymen, or should I say from Mr. "Respect has to be earned not simply granted".
Yes, there are those that think we should simply respect elders, authority, parents, etc, then there are those that think respect has to be earned. So, which camp are you in, Caymen?
TJR
Nice comment from Caymen, or should I say from Mr. "Respect has to be earned not simply granted".
Yes, there are those that think we should simply respect elders, authority, parents, etc, then there are those that think respect has to be earned. So, which camp are you in, Caymen?
TJR
If the kid's parents were responsible pet owners, they would not have to had to get rid of the cat. I would not want their cat to crap in my flower garden just the same as I don't want my dog to crap in their yard. I control my pet. She is only allowed to do her business in her yard and nowhere else. Is this a child mad at the old lady because she complained or were the parents negligent because they allowed the car to deface someone elses property.
An elderly person, do you really think your question needs an answer?
Responsible pet owners have nothing to worry about. We have a neighbor that has cats that like to fill the flower gardens full of smelly, rotten, filthy cat ****. My house will stink from it all summer long. It goes through spells. At the beginning of summer, there are many cats. By the end, they aren't many left. Oh well. No cat crap smell around my house t the end of summer.
Tom
Cats are, by nature, free roaming. However, there are ways to keep cats that are outdoors from going into yards and such. There are powders that can be spread where you don't want cats to go. It's a pepper-like powder. My neighbor and I use it to keep a cat that roams our neighborhood from spraying on our porches. Personally, I own cats, as does my neighbor, but we choose to keep our cats indoors. Not only for safety purposes, but also to keep my cats from causing havok elsewhere. Sadly, there are lots of horrible people who have no problems killing or injuring a helpless animal that is doing only what instinct tells it to.
Now, as for the kid. I agree that this is a bit severe of a punishment. Yes, one would hope this kid would treat his elders with respect, regardless. But to take it to this level? That's a little ridiculous. Would you be a little put off if a pro-athlete took you to court for booing at them during a live sporting event? It's harrasment and you are not really saying any words...but you are making a point....
Now, as for the kid. I agree that this is a bit severe of a punishment. Yes, one would hope this kid would treat his elders with respect, regardless. But to take it to this level? That's a little ridiculous. Would you be a little put off if a pro-athlete took you to court for booing at them during a live sporting event? It's harrasment and you are not really saying any words...but you are making a point....
Thomas Rogers
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Yes, Caymen it does need an answer. Either you conditionally give respect, or you unconditionally give it to those that by their age or position command it. You seem to think that elderly deserve respect unconditionally (and I am not saying that is wrong). However, we really don't know both sides of this story...maybe the old lady really is a back-biter and a difficult neighbor and blowing this out of proportion. But, you don't seem to want to allow for that possibility and instead imply that the elderly deserve unconditional respect. Again, I don’t necessarily have a problem with that way of thinking.
HOWEVER, you have said just the opposite about the police in the past. You have said that they get NO unconditional respect by you, and only get respect if they have earned it. In other words, all police are held in contempt by you.
So, which is it Caymen? Maybe it can be "both" (e.g. some get respect implicitly until they lose it), but if it is both, then by that logic the granting of respect is situational, and that means that someone can LOSE that implicitly granted respect if they act in a way to make them undeserving.
You seem comfortable in NOT giving police implicit respect due to the actions of a few that you have dealt with and at the same time you assume this kid should implicitly respect an elderly person he sees and interacts with on a daily basis? In other words, you think the kid should respect the elderly because they are who they are, but you live under a different set of rules when it comes to the police.
P.S. I'm not excusing what the kid did, if he did it; but at the same time, we don't really know what type of neighbor this person is. I guess I am more interested in discussing your seemingly contradictory views on who deserves respect.
TJR
HOWEVER, you have said just the opposite about the police in the past. You have said that they get NO unconditional respect by you, and only get respect if they have earned it. In other words, all police are held in contempt by you.
So, which is it Caymen? Maybe it can be "both" (e.g. some get respect implicitly until they lose it), but if it is both, then by that logic the granting of respect is situational, and that means that someone can LOSE that implicitly granted respect if they act in a way to make them undeserving.
You seem comfortable in NOT giving police implicit respect due to the actions of a few that you have dealt with and at the same time you assume this kid should implicitly respect an elderly person he sees and interacts with on a daily basis? In other words, you think the kid should respect the elderly because they are who they are, but you live under a different set of rules when it comes to the police.
P.S. I'm not excusing what the kid did, if he did it; but at the same time, we don't really know what type of neighbor this person is. I guess I am more interested in discussing your seemingly contradictory views on who deserves respect.
TJR
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TJR,
I am an adult. I no longer have to listen to what my parents tell me.
That kid is 14. When I was young, my parents taught me that I must respect my elders no matter who they are. As an adult, I am able to decide who I feel deserves respect. I may not respect a police officer, but I will show that officer respect because he/she is a police officer.
You are right, maybe the old woman was a horrible person, but she still did not deserve to have the neighbors cat to use her flower garden as a liter box. Maybe the old lady is a nice person, but the other family is rude and could care less about anyone else but themselves. Maybe they thought it was funny that the cat was crapping in the "old bag's" flower bed?
Sorry, I am not buying it. Control your animals and your children.
Tom
I am an adult. I no longer have to listen to what my parents tell me.
That kid is 14. When I was young, my parents taught me that I must respect my elders no matter who they are. As an adult, I am able to decide who I feel deserves respect. I may not respect a police officer, but I will show that officer respect because he/she is a police officer.
You are right, maybe the old woman was a horrible person, but she still did not deserve to have the neighbors cat to use her flower garden as a liter box. Maybe the old lady is a nice person, but the other family is rude and could care less about anyone else but themselves. Maybe they thought it was funny that the cat was crapping in the "old bag's" flower bed?
Sorry, I am not buying it. Control your animals and your children.
Tom
Thomas Rogers
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Caymen,
I guess I give the 14 year old "credit" if he didn't respect the old lady for what he felt were legit reasons and his couple of cat-calls to her mirrored that. That's deserving of credit for being true to oneself and ones beliefs; more so than say a person that says they don't respect others but shows them respect anyways. Disengenuine anything (loyalty, respect, friendship) isn't a merit in my book.
Regardless, I would still prefer that the kid respected the elderly AND meant that respect and any actions on the part of the lady that might cause the teen to act disrepectful would instead make the teen "disengage" from interactions with the person.
P.S. How does "not having to listen to what your parents say" because you are an "adult" show respect to elderly?
TJR
I guess I give the 14 year old "credit" if he didn't respect the old lady for what he felt were legit reasons and his couple of cat-calls to her mirrored that. That's deserving of credit for being true to oneself and ones beliefs; more so than say a person that says they don't respect others but shows them respect anyways. Disengenuine anything (loyalty, respect, friendship) isn't a merit in my book.
Regardless, I would still prefer that the kid respected the elderly AND meant that respect and any actions on the part of the lady that might cause the teen to act disrepectful would instead make the teen "disengage" from interactions with the person.
P.S. How does "not having to listen to what your parents say" because you are an "adult" show respect to elderly?
TJR
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I don't live in thier house, nor I don't have to, but they could also not allow me in their house. Out of respect, I will listen to what they say, but as an adult, I won't have to.
Possibly he is doing what his parents are telling him to do and it isn't actually coming from him directly.
Tom
Bill V
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Caymen--
We don't know how often the cat crapped in the older gal's flowerbox. It might have only happened once, accidentally, when the cat mistakenly got out. Actually, we don't even know that the cat ever crapped in her flowerbox--she may just not like the kid, and made up this claim just to be mean to him. Or she may not have liked its meow, and realizing that such a claim might not hold much sway if she made it to the police, she instead made up the flowerbox story. All we know for certain from the article is that she complained to the police about it, and it resulted in the family getting rid of the cat.
Regardless, we definitely don't have enough of the story for you to claim that it's "A lack of respect of your elders, plain and simple." Until you know the full story, stop jumping to such hasty conclusions.
We'll start doing that--right about the time you start controlling your unsubstatiated rants.
We don't know how often the cat crapped in the older gal's flowerbox. It might have only happened once, accidentally, when the cat mistakenly got out. Actually, we don't even know that the cat ever crapped in her flowerbox--she may just not like the kid, and made up this claim just to be mean to him. Or she may not have liked its meow, and realizing that such a claim might not hold much sway if she made it to the police, she instead made up the flowerbox story. All we know for certain from the article is that she complained to the police about it, and it resulted in the family getting rid of the cat.
Regardless, we definitely don't have enough of the story for you to claim that it's "A lack of respect of your elders, plain and simple." Until you know the full story, stop jumping to such hasty conclusions.
We'll start doing that--right about the time you start controlling your unsubstatiated rants.
Fer Echegaray
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I bet if they gave the old lady next door a cat of her own she might have a different tune. She's probably just lonely & doesn't have anything better to do.
I know if I was that 14 year old kid, I would not be able to sit for a week. Even if the old lady was a grouch and just a mean person, I would not been allowed to irritate her in any way.
I would not have even dared to do it. Then again, my parents taught me better.
I still stand by my original statement.
Tom
Nelson Atwell
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I wonder if elderly cops deserve respect?
Actually, my parents taught me to respect everyone. It was also taught in school, and called they called it "The Golden Rule". They spoke about it on my very first day of 1st grade and for the next several years. That was almost forty years ago now, so I guess that is just one of those old fashioned ideas I keep in my brain, along with all the other useless stuff in there.
Actually, my parents taught me to respect everyone. It was also taught in school, and called they called it "The Golden Rule". They spoke about it on my very first day of 1st grade and for the next several years. That was almost forty years ago now, so I guess that is just one of those old fashioned ideas I keep in my brain, along with all the other useless stuff in there.
Let me clarify some things.
TJR said...
I do not respect plice officers, but if given the opportunity to help them if I am needed, I will do it without thinking one second about it. I will not call a police officer a "pig" nor would I ever interfere with him or her in performing the duty they are paid to do. I will not stand in front of an old ladys house and harass her, even though she might deserve it. If I were to ever see Q broke down on the side of the road, I would not hessitate to help him, or anyone else.
To me, that is what respect is about. Though I might not respect Q as a person, or the police officer following me while I am going home late at night, I would never cause harm to someone unless they provoke me to.
If that is a bad way to be, I guess I am a bad person. TJR, I would even help you change a flat tire in the rain if you needed my help.
We have neighbors across the street at Theresa's house that must live their lives to irritate everyone in the neighbor hood. They park the cars in front of Theresa's house and are 2 feet from the curb. Yet, when I found a wallet in the street with one of the kid's name and address with hudreds of dollars in it, I walked up to the house, knocked on the door and returned the wallet to him. He thanked me and I went back home. I could have threw the wallet away and kept the money, but if I were in those same shoes, I would be happy if someone would do the same for me. The wife in that family will sit on the portch and watch me back my trailer in the driveway and never offer to move her vehicle. If I get out irritated, she will yell out across the street "If you would have F___ing asked me to move my F___ing car, I would have done it." I know if the roles were reversed, I would have done it without being asked.
Oh well, I guess I am a bad guy. Maybe next time someone heeds a question asked, maybe Q can help. I doubt he will though. That is just not his style.
Tom
TJR said...
I do not respect plice officers, but if given the opportunity to help them if I am needed, I will do it without thinking one second about it. I will not call a police officer a "pig" nor would I ever interfere with him or her in performing the duty they are paid to do. I will not stand in front of an old ladys house and harass her, even though she might deserve it. If I were to ever see Q broke down on the side of the road, I would not hessitate to help him, or anyone else.
To me, that is what respect is about. Though I might not respect Q as a person, or the police officer following me while I am going home late at night, I would never cause harm to someone unless they provoke me to.
If that is a bad way to be, I guess I am a bad person. TJR, I would even help you change a flat tire in the rain if you needed my help.
We have neighbors across the street at Theresa's house that must live their lives to irritate everyone in the neighbor hood. They park the cars in front of Theresa's house and are 2 feet from the curb. Yet, when I found a wallet in the street with one of the kid's name and address with hudreds of dollars in it, I walked up to the house, knocked on the door and returned the wallet to him. He thanked me and I went back home. I could have threw the wallet away and kept the money, but if I were in those same shoes, I would be happy if someone would do the same for me. The wife in that family will sit on the portch and watch me back my trailer in the driveway and never offer to move her vehicle. If I get out irritated, she will yell out across the street "If you would have F___ing asked me to move my F___ing car, I would have done it." I know if the roles were reversed, I would have done it without being asked.
Oh well, I guess I am a bad guy. Maybe next time someone heeds a question asked, maybe Q can help. I doubt he will though. That is just not his style.
Tom
Thomas Rogers
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Caymen, I was simply trying to show you your contradictory viewpoints. You have said in the past in various posts that you have little or no respect for police because of dealings you have had with a handful of police. Then in this thread, you say people should respect their elders implicitly.
The contradiction is that you lack respect for authority because of personal situations, but this kid in the story gets a bad rap by you for doing the same to an elderly person. And, then you go on to say that your lack of respect for police doesn't mean you won't help them or that you would be rude to them. Oh, really? If I don't respect someone I tend not to do them favors or go out of my way to help them out....that would make me a hypocrite. However, I would help a policeman and I do implicitly give them respect, and I have never given or felt anything but respect for police.
What about the elderly person next door that is a child molester, do you respect him if you are a young boy? I think it is okay for respect to be situational and not implicit. So do you, for police…but not for the elderly I guess.
G'night.
TJR
The contradiction is that you lack respect for authority because of personal situations, but this kid in the story gets a bad rap by you for doing the same to an elderly person. And, then you go on to say that your lack of respect for police doesn't mean you won't help them or that you would be rude to them. Oh, really? If I don't respect someone I tend not to do them favors or go out of my way to help them out....that would make me a hypocrite. However, I would help a policeman and I do implicitly give them respect, and I have never given or felt anything but respect for police.
What about the elderly person next door that is a child molester, do you respect him if you are a young boy? I think it is okay for respect to be situational and not implicit. So do you, for police…but not for the elderly I guess.
G'night.
TJR
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