Meow! LOL Stop, Your Harrassing Me!

[Mike Wilson]

*Cat ***** in my flowerbox, first time, I'd tell the old lady, see what she can do about it.

Second time, the little S.O.B. is dead (the cat, not the old lady!).

*My son is a Maury Co., TN. Sheriffs Deputy, so I'll side with those Guys (and Gals)

most any day, although I have recieved some undeserved tickets from Police Agencies,

from time to time!

*Caymen, ..."One bad apple don't spoil the whole bunch, girl!" (guy) in this case. (The

old Donnie Osmond song?)

I post this nasty thread in the hopes of diverting some of the negativity away from

Caymen, because, regardless of what y'all say about him, I still like the old boy!

I have noticed a SLIGHT amount of negativity in his posts, lately, but, hey, everybody

goes through those "spells"!

I think he is going through the "Pre-Marital Jitters"!:lol:

 

[Gavin Allan]

Cats belong inside. If you can't control your pet and properly care for it, you don't deserve to have one.

 

[Nelson Atwell]

IMO all animals should be outside. Personally, I can't stand to think some animal (or even a human's) unwiped butt has been on my couch, carpet or table. :blink:

 

[Fred]

I agree NelsonOKC. <puking smiley> :lol:

 

[Tom Schindler]

Caymen, I was simply trying to show you your contradictory viewpoints.

Actually, I don't feel they are contradictory one bit. The kid does not have to like the woman as an individual person, but he also shouldn't harass her. The same as I don't like a police officer, but I will not harass a police officer or interfere with him/her doing their job.



The respect I am talking about simply put means if I don't like a person, I don't deal with that person. The best thing that kid could do is wait until he could be of service for thye old lady. There will be a time. When the opportunity happens, simply tell her how you feel. You are not harassing or anything, but you madfe your point.





Tom

 

[Larry Phillips]

MEOW!

 

[Thomas Rogers]

I guess the difference, Caymen, is what we each mean by respect.



Your meaning is it "show no disrespect". My meaning is more subtle and pure. There are many people that I have little or no respect for but whom I have never disrespected. That's simply being civil.



Was the "meow" disrespectful? That's a good question.



TJR

 

[Bill V]

TJR, I think you're nailing it. You and I think that the kid doesn't have to respect the old woman (thoughts), but shouldn't necessarily be disrespecting her (actions). It sounds like Tom thinks those two are one-in-the-same.



Then again, if this is a case of him losing the family pet just because she's a mean old biddy (and I'm not saying that is the case--but we don't know that it's not, either), then I'm on the borderline of being OK with him having no respect for her, in thoughts or actions. (Within reasonable limits, of course--and in that particular hypothetical situation, meowing would be within those limits.)

 

[Tom Schindler]

You guys are understanding the way I feel. A child, and a 14 year old is a child, does not understand the difference between showing respect and disrespect.



If you allow a child to act that way with someone, no matter what the reasoning it, you are teaching the kid to be disrespectful to others. When the child grows up, he was never taught the difference between the two and will continue to act the way he did as a child.



I have a 2nd cousin that was that way. He is a good kid and I like him alot. I honestly do. His mother and father felt it was better for him to show his feelings to others, even as a young kid. As I said, he is a good kid, but his mouth has put him in situations that landed him in jail.



Was it caused by his parents? Personally, I fell it did.



My 2nd cousin even had a contract in the works to play for the SD Padres in the minor league teams. He had everything going for him. I know it sounds like a line of BS about the contract, but it is the honest truth. Most people here know I am a straight shooter when I say stuff. Believe if you want, it won't change the truth.





Tom

 

[Nelson Atwell]

Tom (Caymen),



My daughter is 15, and I can tell you that she does know the difference between respect and disrespect. She also knows the difference between right and wrong.



If this kid has a mental defect, then I might buy that answer, but the local laws in my town make 12 the age that kids can be held accountable for their actions.

 

[Bill V]

I have to agree with Nelson on the age. My niece is 15, and has known that even if you don't respect someone, you can't disrespect someone, and she definitely knows the difference. Has for a few years now.



My daughter is 4 years old. And with her, yes, I agree that she isn't yet capable to understand to difference. When will that happen? I don't know--I'm sure it's different for everyone. But I think nearly all 14 year olds are knowledgable enough to discern the difference.

 

[Thomas Rogers]

14 year old kids are their own people. Sure, we can hope their parents did a good job but, but kids are often just kids and do stupid things. Remember the 12yo that put the gum on the $1.5M painting? To him it was just a stupid, ugly painting and he was playing a goof. Sure, it shows a lack of respect for other's property, but to the kid it wasn't in his mind that he was causing damage to something worth more than he might ever make in his lifetime.



But, with that said, kids do know right from wrong. The 12yo knew that putting the gum on the painting was wrong; but probably didn't fully understand all the ramifications of his actions. That's the major issue. Most teens and preteens lack the experience to understand exactly what the ramifications of their actions can be. So, we hope that we fall back on a more "absolute" (black and white) definition of what is right and wrong. But anyone that has kids will tell you that part of their development has them constantly testing limits and questioning beliefs.



This 14yo kid no doubt knew that it wasn't a nice thing to taunt a neighbor with a meow. But do you think he thought of it in terms of respect or disrespect, or do you think it was his way to goof on a neighbor that he felt might be a PITA? Might he have been returning a level of respect towards him and his family with the same?



Do I give the kid a pass? No. Do I expect more from the kid? Yes. But, he is still a kid. Sounds like the granny has some socialization skills to work on too, and she is old, so what is her excuse?



TJR

 

[Tom Schindler]

Sounds like the granny has some socialization skills to work on too, and she is old, so what is her excuse?

Maybe the granny was sick and tired of the idiot neighbors that have no respect towards anyone and she wasn't going to take it anymore?





Tom

 

[Thomas Rogers]

Seems you have an age bias, Tom. You tend to think the worst of the kid and the best of the old lady. Why is that do you think?