Obama Money

[Robert Thomas]

After 3 1/2 years of watching everyone around me get Obama money my ship has finally come in. Today I got a Dept of Commerce letter in the mail with a $2.00 bill. My windfall has arrived. They said I could have the $2 if if completed a "Time and Travel Survey" consisting of three questions. "The Department of Commerce will use the information to assist a number of state and federal agencies in making decisions about how to manage resources.



1. Where did I shop since Oct 1, 2011?

2. Have I had any overnight business trips to an States with Ocean Beaches?

3. Have I spent any time at coastal recreation Ocean Sites?



What a deal $2.00. Obama has my vote.

 

[Kevin Palmer]

Here is my story.



When Obama sent out the money to everyone, there were some rules that would limit the amount. I got $410.00 of the potential $2000.00 that MANY did get.



However, I made too much money in the same year and not only did I have to pay it back, I was taxed plus interest for the time I did have the money. Sooooo, the two-grand potential actually cost me 126 dollars.



Bargain huh????

 

[Richard L]

Here is my feelings and 5 things you should know about Obama money...Especially number 3.



1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.



2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.



3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.



4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.



5. When half the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half will take care of them and the other half get the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that's the beginning of the end for any nation.



...Just some food for thought.



...Rich

 

[Kevin Palmer]

Amen Rich...

 

[H D]

A guy named "Rich" would say those things. Must be nice.:cheeky:

 

[Frank screwyourednecks]

Richard copied and pasted it ...I've seen that one a million times. It is always used by a right winger too. The cool thing is..that the person who usually posts it, knows jack crap about taxes. Do you really think by raising taxes on the wealthy, "legislates" the poor out of poverty? No it doesnt. Its ridiculous! All it does is make the wealthy pay a higher rate. By the way..that higher rate NEVER gets close to the rate that the poor pay anyway. HMMMM I smell a bias! Sorry coastie, Rich, and Hugh. The truth always hurts when it runs counter to your bias. Closed minds kill cultures!



Raise the taxes on the rich! Save the middle class, have a healthy economy. Make them pay thier fair share for once!!

 

[Robert Thomas]

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

Rich,



I filled out my three question survey. I worked hard for my Obama money. I'm thinking about framing the $2 bill and putting it on the wall.



Frank,



Thanks for you civil reply. You have convinced me, Obama no longer has my vote.

 

[Richard L]

Frank,

Spoken like a true Democrat....With all the same style of class warfare.



You and most Democrats want people to believe that the poor remain poor because the wealthy are not paying their fair share of taxes??? This same argument has been going on since income taxes started back in 1911. Since then they are been some very powerful administrations of both Democrats and Republicans and yet nobody has managed to change anything. Politicians need big money to get elected or reelected, that does not come from poor people....however poor people's votes count and the Democrats play the blame game and point at the wealthy and big business as the devil that is keeping the poor in poverty.



Most poor people choose to be poor by not getting an education and then later find that they can survive on handouts and welfare, so there is no need to for education and ambition. It does not matter to them that someone else who got and education, and holds a steady job is paying for them to sit at home and and get paid to do nothing.



Most wealthy people and corporations give a lot to legitimate charities that probably makes up for most of the tax breaks they get....and not all charitable contributions are tax-deductable. The problem for many poor people is that there are no legitimate charities for the uneducated and lazy....that's where the politicians step in and promise prosperity fo the poor by taxing the wealthy....Just to buy votes. When they win the election, they rarely ever accomplish anything. It's just political class warfare to carve out a niche group of potential votes.



This goes all the way back to Roman times when the emperor would literally pay money and favors to citizens on the promise that they would vote for him.





"A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul,"

-George Bernard Shaw



....Rich

 

[H D]

Do you really think by raising taxes on the wealthy, "legislates" the poor out of poverty? No it doesnt. Its ridiculous! All it does is make the wealthy pay a higher rate.

Exactly! You do get it! So, what's the point of raising taxes on the wealthy if it doesn't actually serve a legitimate purpose? Did you really mean to say that or do you actually know the facts but just don't understand them?



If "all it does is make the wealthy pay a higher rate," why would we want to do that? To punish them for success? You're onto something here, Frank. Please do continue!

 

[Frank screwyourednecks]

"most poor people choose to be poor".





Congratulations Richard L. You very well may have posted the most ignorant statement in the history of the internet!

 

[Richard L]

Frank,

Do you really think by raising taxes on the wealthy, "legislates" the poor out of poverty? No it doesnt. Its ridiculous! All it does is make the wealthy pay a higher rate.

No I don't believe it works, and neither do you, but that is not the point of the statement...It's about the class warfare that the Democrats and Obama wants poor people to believe. There are a lot of poor people who vote for Obama who think it works that way...and Obama wants them to continue thinking that way. All taxing the wealthy does is puts more money in the governments coffers and the politicians have more taxpayer money to waste.



My statement "Most poor people choosing to be poor" is not ignorant since it has a lot a validity. I did not say that poor people wanted to be poor, but they made most of the bad decisions that resulted in them being poor. Most of those bad decisions were made at a very young age and continuously paying them money without them changing their attitude or demonstrating any effort to pull themselves up out of poverty does not help them. If they can survive on welfare, handouts or larceny they are content to have no education, no training and no job, since it's much easier to get free money, free healthcare, free food-stamps, and anything you can legally or illegally acquire.



I'm sure you have heard the old saying: "Give a man a fish and you fed him for one day. Teach the man to fish, and you have fed him for life."



The only part that is missing is that this only works if the man wants to learn to fish, and is willing to go fishing everyday for his food. If you continue to fed him everyday, he develops a sense of entitlement, and begins to demand more....a fish a day is not enough because now he wants bread, and wine because you have bread and wine with your fish.



This is not anything new...This same scenario has been going on since man has been on earth. There are always freeloaders in all societies and Obama is not going to change that. by taxing the wealthy. The poor never get any benefit of the higher taxes that is collected from the wealthy. Whatever they do get makes them feel entitled to more because they still cannot buy all the things that the wealthy have. If the government would stop paying the poor to be poor, there would be no need to raise taxes on the wealthy and the middle class will pay less taxes. If the poor have to work for a living, then they will be more inspired to get an education and strive to get a better paying job.



...Rich

 

[Frank screwyourednecks]

"THEY made most of the bad decisions that resulted in them being poor".





The gift that keeps on giving.

 

[Les]

Frank, got a question for you.



Who do you give credit when you succeed, and who do you blame, when you fail?

 

[Richard L]

The gift that keeps on giving.

Wow Frank, it sounds like you may have finally come to your senses !!!



Yes, it is the gift that keeps on giving....It's called: "The Cycle of Poverty" and no politician and no amount of tax increases is going to break that cycle until the person is willing and committed to do what it takes to pull themselves out of poverty. The problem is too many people find it easier to just be poor since that requires little or no effort and those who have jobs will pay their way in society.



...Rich

 

[Robert Thomas]

Richard,



May I suggest.



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[Gavin Allan]

"You didn't build that- the government did!" LMAO:banana::bwahaha::rofl:

 

[Frank screwyourednecks]

Cycle of poverty implies that its harder for poor people to break out and succeed. I agree. You earlier said that THEY choose to be poor. Now which is it Richard?? You cant have both sides. Your not Mitt Romney my friend! Lol!

 

[Frank screwyourednecks]

Who knows.. Maybe since I am around actual people who are poor, that I understand the situation. It seems that some of you know some terminology about poverty.. But dont fully understand how it all effects actual poor people. I shudder to think that some of you would post some of the things you do, without ever coming into contact with any poor folk in a normal day. But I suspect this to be the case. Ill put my head down on my pillow tonight knowing with absolute certainty that I am right on in my views, and not one bit, have I been an out of touch hypocrite. Hope u have Nyquill in your medicine cabinets boys!

 

[H D]

Frank, you conveniently ignored my last post.

 

[Richard L]

Frank,

They choose to be poor because they will not take the effort to break out of the poverty cycle, since it's easier to live off of welfare. Being poor is not criminal nor a shame and most of the welfare programs were set up as a temporary assistance to people who have hit on hard times...But the key word here is that welfare is only a temporary assistance....we have people who are on various welfare programs who now feel the are entitled to receive welfare for the rest of their lives and even are so bold as to complain that they should receive more for doing less.



Many of the people on welfare know exactly how to work the system and can skillfully milk the system for all the money they can get while others who don't know the tricks and loop-holes get far less because they follow the rules.



Years ago I worked with a guy who had a degree is social services and once worked for the Welfare department in town. He left that job because he was totally disillusioned by how the system was being abused by people who knew the loop-holes and how to milk the system for every penny and he could not even question what they put on their welfare application.



I have to laugh when each month I hear the unemployment statistics and they always include some number of people who they claim are no longer looking for work?? If they gave up looking for a job, then I don't feel that we should continue to pay them unemployment when they are making no effort to help themselves. I think it is the height of hypocrisy when someone refused to look for a job, but still expects to get paid for being unemployed??



...Rich