Ohio resident car enthusiasts, oppose Ohio HB 191

[user 64972]

This bill is not good for any car enthusiast in the state of Ohio. Write your reps if you care...I did! Welcome to the new era, Comades!! Yes they can...if we let them!



http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/east-central/240843-ohio-aginst-hotrods-must-read.html



http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/analysis.cfm?ID=128_HB_191&hf=analyses128/h0191-i-128.htm



'07 ST:soap:

 

[Mark K 2]

I see nothing wrong with outlawing street racing and imposing strict penalties for doing so. Racing belongs on a designated track, not the public streets.

 

[David Ponder]

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From the bill...

In addition, the bill provides that persons rendering assistance or encouragement in any form or manner to the defined competitive use of vehicles must be equally charged as participants (bill's additions to existing law are in italics).

Not sure I agree with this... If a friend does a burnout on a rural road with no one around, and I laugh and about how good / bad it was, why should I be charged?

 

[Kevin Lang]

I see nothing wrong with outlawing street racing and imposing strict penalties for doing so. Racing belongs on a designated track, not the public streets.

Though if street racing is "outlawed", and strict penalties are imposed, street racing won't stop. It's already illegal...and yet it still occurs.



Seems to me laws themselves are proving that another law will do nothing.

If a friend does a burnout on a rural road with no one around, and I laugh and about how good / bad it was, why should I be charged?

Because the Law likes to maintain that if you see an illegal act take place and do not act to stop it, you're guilty with the transgressor. (Which makes no sense)



Also, that sentence you quoted gives the law too much elasticity.



e.g. I'm driving my Mustang down the street, safely, minding my own business, and some ricer in his civic blows down the road and illegally passes me, to "prove" that he can "beat" a "muscle car". I would have done nothing wrong, but this law could force me to have to pay as well.

 

[Mark K 2]

Some police agencies are going to end up with some kick-ass undercover cars. Ricers excluded.



Here in Wisconsin, IIRC, people caught street racing get charged with "exhibition of speed" and other current traffic offenses. If there was a law with some teeth, like criminal forfeiture, my guess is that street racers would think twice about going zoom-zoom on Cherry Street.

 

[David Ponder]

I once got a ticket for "Excessive show of acceleration" from an A/H cop in Grandview MO. I had a 1974 Maverick, with a 250 straight 6, one barrel carb and well worn out... Excessive show of acceleration? No freakin way.. What he heard was the front tire squeeling when I turned left, as it was quite a bit out of alignment... The cop was right behind me, and I knew he was there. WHY would I even try to "peel out"... :angry:



I could STAND on the gas pedal, and drop it into drive, and still not spin the wheels... I was 20 years old, and I tried to fight the ticket... I even offered to prove it to the judge... I ended up having to pay the ticket and the court costs... Now when I have to drive thru there, I make the cops pass me and drive 5 mph under the limit. Nothing they can do if I am driving a reasonable speed, as I am not required to drive the speed limit. :fire:



Sorry... :back2topic:

 

[user 64972]

I made the link to the law active so that those commenting can actually read what they are commenting on.

I see nothing wrong with outlawing street racing and imposing strict penalties for doing so. Racing belongs on a designated track, not the public streets.

I too see nothing wrong with outlawing "street racing" but this law allows prosecuting for laying rubber "burnouts", acceleration and revving of engines.

like criminal forfeiture

The law addresses "criminal forfeiture" even if actual strret racing does not occur. It is left to the descretion of the police dept IMO! There will be a lot of old Grandpa's in Ohio who will not like this law and it's penalty's. Heck, my 2007 ST will squeal the tires pretty easy. That COULD equal criminal forfeiture.



'07 ST

 

[Mark K 2]

I don't like burnouts on public streets, either. Acceleration and revving engines are fine as long as the speed limit and legal noise levels aren't violated.



My brother, when he was two years old, was struck by someone who peeled out from a stop sign just for the sake of hearing his tires squeal. Mom and my sister got out of the way in time, but my brother took the chrome bumper guard right in the face. If the driver would have been concentrating on the pedestrians in front of him rather than his tachometer, maybe my brother wouldn't have been hit.

 

[David Ponder]

I agree a burnout on a public street "With people around, and especially children" is not safe, and in fact is reckless driving at the least.



I grew up in a rural area, and on a 2 lane road between farm fields and nothing else around... Well, this is a different story and I dont see a problem with it as long as no person or personal property is damaged... I would imaging that 'almost' every guy on this site has done a burnout before, (I know I have many times) and losing your vehicle, or having a passenger or friend charged for this is not right. There just has to be some common sense here.

 

[Tom Schindler]

Ohio has already said that a police officer can cite you a ticket for speeding without the use of a RADAR gun. An officer "has been trained" to be able to look at a vehicle and accuratly measure you speed.



So, this only adds to the police officers control.



"Sir, you were drag racing in your Geo Metro at 168 MPH."



And the officers word overshadows yours.





Tom

 

[EddieS'04]

I dont promote street racing. When I was younger my area had alot of rural. We did go out to areas with good roads in the backwoods. The only ones hurt would be us.



Nowdays things are different. We have the street racers constantly racing down main roads, in the Houston area and surounding cities. That is not cool.



A few yeas ago here in Pasadena. One of the Kroger stores Let us have car shows every weekend. That ended when the young ricers came. They started doing burn outs and drifting in the parking lot:angry:. We definitly had some fast cars come. Never once did any of them do anything. Most didnt even rev their motors after parking.



I dont agree with any law such as this one. Except if you are street racing. The appearance of. Or such as some of the reasons they give in the law is a bit much. I expect to see the law re-writen. I believe other states have done the same and had to back off.



Im still performance minded but I drive responsible in town. Im known to accesively accelerate at times and speed. Not in traffic though. Not in residential, I never did in residential. It pee's me that some of todays generation does, in my neighborhood. Most dont have fast cars or trucks. Just showing off their exhaust system.



When I had my 'stang. My ex used to tell me I drove like granpa. She would say, why did you build all this horse power? I would tell her there is a time and a place.

 

[Tom Schindler]

Eddie,



I agree with you, but some food for thought.



Why don't we enforce the laws already in effect instead of making new "harsher" ones that wont work unless you enforce them?



Exhibition of accelleration is illegal in Ohio. The law is already in effect to curb drag racing. This is just another law to strip all of us of our rights. While it may be for the "public good", it is more for the precieved public good.



It is all fine and dandy when some pimple faced punk in his little Honda gets it taken away, but when a community like Boston Heights uses it as another revenue generator, then it hits too close to home. If I step on it to escape some trouble, then lose my car for doing so, what have I gained?





Tom

 

[Mark K 2]

I wouldn't be surprised that the reason for this harsher law is that the existing laws weren't working. I can see chronic offenders paying the puny fines for "exhibition of speed" and continuing to offend. The threat of losing their vehicles may be necessary to make them think twice.

 

[Thomas Rogers]

How about people just grow up, be responsible for their actions, and if they do the crime expect to do the time (or pay the fine)?



The whole rationalization people come up with as to why their bad behavior is acceptable is essentially the #1 problem in America today. People know right from wrong, but they rationalize WHY their wrongdoing is A-OK! F'ing children in this society. F-ing spoiled rotten children!



TJR

 

[Richard L]

Every state in the union has laws against street racing. I grew up in Ohio, and it was illegal then...so what has changed??



In Texas you can get a ticket for doing a burn out or just squealing your tires pulling away from a light. It's called "Exhibition of Speed" and you can get a ticket even if you never exceeded the posted speed limit.



It's all about growing up and realizing that it's stupid to race on the public streets and to doing burn outs to impress your friends or intimidate your enemies is very childish. If a ticket will help screw your head on straight than I am all for it.



...Rich

 

[gary s]

eddie,



"Nowdays things are different. We have the street racers constantly racing down main roads, in the Houston area and surounding cities. That is not cool."



yes things are different. as you mention in your quote , "todays generation", we are getting up there in age and things change. hard to accept, but it is life.

remember what the older people thought of us in our "hotrods" :bwahaha:





tom,



"It is all fine and dandy when some pimple faced punk in his little Honda gets it taken away"

who wasn't a pimple faced punk?





If I step on it to escape some trouble, then lose my car for doing so, what have I gained?

geeeez, how often do you have to ESCAPE (no pun int.) trouble in your vehicle?



This is just another law to strip all of us of our rights

hope you are not in an accident that was caused by 2 motorists are driving irresponsibly.

 

[Tom Schindler]

"It is all fine and dandy when some pimple faced punk in his little Honda gets it taken away"

who wasn't a pimple faced punk?

Read what I said. I was saying simply that we can have the attitude that if some little punk loses his car, it doesn't affect us, but there are communities like Boston Heights that is a ticket based revenue for the city that will use this to make the bottom line even better.



Of course, you do not have the ability to read this and take it upon yourself to stir the pot whenever you can without adding any substance to this website.

If I step on it to escape some trouble, then lose my car for doing so, what have I gained?

geeeez, how often do you have to ESCAPE (no pun int.) trouble in your vehicle?

You have never accidently misjudged the distance or speed of another car coming at you and had to "floor it" to keep from getting hit? You must be one of the best drivers in the world.



I used to drive many miles and have been in some bad situations that required me to get on it.

This is just another law to strip all of us of our rights

hope you are not in an accident that was caused by 2 motorists are driving irresponsibly.

This comment does not even deserve a response.





Tom

 

[Les]

This is just another law to strip all of us of our rights

Gary, your intent to discredit Caymen has exceeded your ability to think rationally.

 

[gary s]

"Read what I said"

I did. i was just making a comment that we were all "pimple faced punks" at one time.



"Of course, you do not have the ability to read this and take it upon yourself to stir the pot whenever you can without adding any substance to this website"

your interpretation.



"You must be one of the best drivers in the world."

maybe not the best, but damn good :grin:



"This comment does not even deserve a response"

because you have a problem with authority?



les,

"your intent to discredit Caymen"

not a discredit. how did you come to that conclusion?