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Larry Gamble

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Anyone hear about this yet? It's just hitting the news and no definative reports.



Hope those on the ground are safe and the pilot's ok.



Larry
 
Yep, the pilot did die. I found out about this just after it had happened. It is a shame to lose both the jet and the person. I guess the law of averages caught up to them. I don't recall when the last crash was with these guys.



Often, because of how they fly and line up using marks on the windshields and what not the only one looking ahead is the lead plane. So if one crashes normally more follow it right to the crash site.



Since there was only a single plane involved I am betting that he, (assuming it was a male pilot) was getting ready for some sort of passing manuver...
 
Some articles mention that the cause could be a bird in the intake, causing engine failure. But, I cannot imagine both engines shutting down. But, to the other but, there's a video on youtube of an F-18 that takes a bird in right after takeoff and after fighting it, both pilots eject. So, depending on the plane's speed, it may have caused enough thrust loss to bring the plane down (e.g., if already proceeding at low speed).



As for the last crash, it was in 1999 on a training and practice flight. I don't know when the last performance crash was, though.
 
Oh the irony...was the pilot's first demonstration flight as a Blue Angel. As soon as we saw this on the news this afternoon, I wondered, both curiously and sarcastically, how soon an amatuer video of this accident would hit the internet. I have seen nothing yet.
 
Six pilots & three new to the postions, anyone surprised at the outcome? Also, nice waste of taxpayers dollars. They're going to have crashes with their maneuvers, so why endanger local people's lives & homes.
 
scootch, pilots only fly with the Blue Angels for 2 years (after a year of training). So every year there are new pilots. The old pilots train the new pilots, then move back to their ships. Am I surprised that one of the best pilots in the world crashed? Yes, I am.



I'm curious if it was one of the four diamond planes, or one of the two solo planes. If it was one of the four from the diamond group, then I'd guess mechanical failure.



edit: It was the #6 plane
 
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Six pilots & three new to the postions, anyone surprised at the outcome? Also, nice waste of taxpayers dollars. They're going to have crashes with their maneuvers, so why endanger local people's lives & homes.



I am surprised, yes. They take the best pilots in the Navy and Marines. This isn't like putting a pimply-faced high school senior, who just finished his check ride in a Cessna, into an F-18.



As for the waste of taxpayers dollars, the entire governmental process is a waste of money. Every bill contains enough pork to keep Rosie O'Donnell fed for years. At least with the Blue Angels, folks can take their families out to see them, to show some pride in the armed forces, and quite frankly, to see some amazing pilots do amazing things. That sure beats paying into an invisible fund in April, not knowing where exactly the money goes.



And finally, the Blue Angels, and generally the U.S. aerobatic teams, are safe. The Blue Angels existed since 1946, except for a hiatus during the Korean War. From a brief yet pretty thorough search, it appears that 24 or 25 pilots have been killed, but never a civilian. I found an old statistics list that stated about 600 pilots are killed in general aviation crashes per year, and with those, 14 collateral deaths. In comparison, drunk drivers kill 17,000 and firearms 35,000. So, not only are they comparatively safe, but on this logic, if going by the "endangerment" factor, the government better resurrect the Eighteenth Amendment and work on reinterpreting the Second.
 
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Some articles mention that the cause could be a bird in the intake, causing engine failure. But, I cannot imagine both engines shutting down. But, to the other but, there's a video on youtube of an F-18 that takes a bird in right after takeoff and after fighting it, both pilots eject. So, depending on the plane's speed, it may have caused enough thrust loss to bring the plane down (e.g., if already proceeding at low speed).



Actually, it's an F-16 (single Engine)....



The last time a Blue Angel crashed with a pilot fatality was 1999. There was a crash a few years ago at a show near the beginning of the show and once it was clear the pilot had ejected, I beleive the story went that Angel #8 (one of the spotters) went up and did "some" fill-in work to complete an abreviated show... may have just been a rumor.



Six pilots & three new to the postions, anyone surprised at the outcome? Also, nice waste of taxpayers dollars. They're going to have crashes with their maneuvers, so why endanger local people's lives & homes.



You could say that about NASCAR, Jet Boat Racing and aircraft carriers.... guess we need to ban those too...:angry:
 
R Shek, I don't follow--How do crashes in NASCAR or Jet Boat Racing waste taxpayers dollars or endager local people's lives & homes? (except for the rare case when part of a vehicle goes into the crowd after a crash)
 
Lets not forget, The Blue Angels and Thunderbirds are recruitment devices. When little kids go to an air show with their parents, they see those planes and grow up wanting to be a pilot. As they get older, they keep seeing those planes fly and want to learn to fly more and more.



Before long, they join the military.



Kinda like candy cigarettes when we were kids.





Tom
 
R Shek, I don't follow--How do crashes in NASCAR or Jet Boat Racing waste taxpayers dollars or endager local people's lives & homes? (except for the rare case when part of a vehicle goes into the crowd after a crash)



Most if not all the NASCAR tracks are built on tax payers money. Same is true with every football, basketball and baseball stadium. I can't speak to endangering lives and homes.



 
Sorry but F-18 Hornets have 2 engines,,, they are not F-16's,, the AF Tbirds have the F-16



I was referring to the video on YouTube....



Nearly all Navy jets have dual engine due to carrier ops. The F18 can fly on one engine for a short time if need be. (1) bird would have a REALLY rough time taking out both engines unless the first has a uncontained catastophic failure....



R Shek, I don't follow--How do crashes in NASCAR or Jet Boat Racing waste taxpayers dollars or endager local people's lives & homes? (except for the rare case when part of a vehicle goes into the crowd after a crash)



Ever watch a race? Count the number of emergency vehicles on-site (both in the infield and the camping/parking areas). How about the police presence? Ever notice how many drunken fools are around there?



It's not about waisting tax payer dollars. It's about entertainment. In the case of the T-Birds and B.A.'s, they are the epitome of recruitment. More Naval Aviators die in car crashes every year then in accidents involving their aircraft. The F/A-18 E/F version is one of the most advanced and safest aircraft ever designed by man.
 
Most if not all the NASCAR tracks are built on tax payers money. Same is true with every football, basketball and baseball stadium.

SST, I think it was obvious that the original poster was talking about the cost of the vehicles themselves when he was claiming that it's a waste of taxpayer money. So you're not making a comparison that is at all analogous. If he had been saying that the facility itself (the airport) was a waste of taxpayer money, then this would be a far more legitimate comparison.



Count the number of emergency vehicles on-site (both in the infield and the camping/parking areas). How about the police presence? Ever notice how many drunken fools are around there?

R Shek--My understanding is that most-if-not-all of the police/emergency presence at events like NASCAR needs to be paid for by the event.



Regarding the drunken fools--yes, they're there. But they're not a direct result of the events that bring the crowd together--they're an unfortunate byproduct. So with regard to the danger to locals, it's still not a decent comparison to the effects of a crashing plane. As I mentioned earlier, a far more appropriate comparison would be the cases that have happened at races where a part of a crashed vehicle has flown into the crowd and killed someone.



It's not about waisting tax payer dollars. It's about entertainment. In the case of the T-Birds and B.A.'s, they are the epitome of recruitment. More Naval Aviators die in car crashes every year then in accidents involving their aircraft. The F/A-18 E/F version is one of the most advanced and safest aircraft ever designed by man.

For the record, I agree with you completely. I fully support the continuation of teams like the BAs and TBs. They're great recruitment tools--and even for those of us who they fail to get into the recruitment offices, they're a blast to watch, and as such are great PR. Please don't interpret my earlier comments as agreeing with the poster who felt they're a waste. I don't. I was just pointing out that the particular argument you made wasn't very strong, and I was trying to give you an opportunity to make a stronger, clearer one--which you did. :)
 
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If everyone complained about some item they don't agree with that is paid for with their tax dollars, then no one would get any work done and there would be no income to tax.



Let it go folks...life is too short. I think NASCAR is the biggest friggin waste of time and money, period, but 10s of millions in this country disagree, so who am I to say anything.



TJR
 
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