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Nelson Atwell

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I recently bought a HDTV and was wondering how the different HDTV sources compare (i.e., Cable service, DirecTV, Dish Network, etc.). I bought the HDTV "rabbit ears" type antenna and receive an awesome signal of about 15 channels at no cost, so I am not desperate for programming.



My fiancee has HDTV at her home through Cox, and I feel like it is a ripoff, since they cut the number of channels she can actually receive (no CNN, MSNBC, Fox news, etc.), in return for paying a higher premium to get about 10 HDTV channels.



I'm happy with the combination of digital CATV and the HDTV local channels, but want to see if there are even better options out there. I'm not a big Sports fan, so that doesn't even play into the scenario.
 
DirecTV doesn't send out "true" HDTV signals via satellite on most channels. It's in an effort to save bandwidth. "True" HDTV is either 1920x1080 or 1280x720. All of the major broadcasting companies (ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX) send out either one or the other of those resolutions. Some people can tell the difference, some can't. I'm kind of a videophile, so I can. I'd say 90% of the people out there can't though.

The reason that your girlfriend cannot get HDTV versions of CNN, FOX NEWS, MSNBC, etc is because they don't HAVE those channels in HD yet.

HDNet is a great HD channel, that is 1920x1080 24/7. They also have HDNet Movies. I watch a lot of HDNet, it kinda like SpikeTV with an intelligent twist.

As far as CATV goes, I really don't know much about their HD feeds, but I suspect that they are true 1920x1080 or 1280x720, so you really would get better picture quality than "standard" cable. I'm not saying you can't tell a difference between DirecTV's HD and SD programming, because you can...but it's not as much of a difference as you can tell between HD and SD television (from your free, OTA channels).

If you're interested, I can give you a link that has more HD discussion than you will EVER need, both technical and non-technical. It's an entire forum devoted to audio/video, with a large subsection of that devoted to HDTV in its various forms. If you're interested, let me know. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask. :)

--Scott
 
Alrighty, you asked for it!

I'll link you directly to the HDTV section, but there is a lot to these forums, so explore around a bit. I'm pretty sure that I've seen an OKC-specific forum too, look inside the local forums. I read the st. louis one all the time, it's incredibly informative.

They'll have you talked into a mega antenna in no time though...I currently have something about the size of a spaceship on the top of my house and can pick up stations from well over 80 miles away. ;)
 
An 80 mile range might allow me to bring in Tulsa channels, but they would most likely duplicate much of what I already get. There aren't many cities in OK big enough to support good TV stations. Sometimes living in the capital city/largest city in the State is a good thing. :D
 
I have to have 80 mile reception though. I live nearly that far from St. Louis. It would have saved me a bunch of money if I lived closer to a major city. An antenna and a decent signal booster is pretty expensive. However, my picture is absolutely perfect. I'm sure yours is too since you're practically on top of the towers.

Chances are that you're right about the Tulsa channels, it's very unlikely that you'd get anything different, other than different news or something.
 
The antennas are only 8 miles away from my house. There is a big antenna farm with all the radio/TV stations. The land is relatively flat, so I have a direct line of sight to the towers. My TV says I am getting around 75% signal, whatever that means. The picture is crystal clear. My fiancee actually lives on the same street as the antenna farm and it is about 1/2 mile from her house. She would get excellent signal there.
 
I love the local PBS channel OETA. They broadcast HD 24 hours a day, and mostly show IMAX-type shows and nature shows. I watched shows on Hawaii and Alaska which were incredible last weekend. I have to go to Alaska to see if it really is that beautiful!
 
Yeah, I get DiscoveryHD, it's a great channel. Their "Sunrise Earth" shows are amazing. If you haven't seen one, you should check it out. Alaska starts on the 24th, so that should give you enough of Alaska to convince you to go. ;)

The whole premise of Sunrise Earth is just an HD camera, sitting out in the wild. No music, no sound effects, just nature and a peaceful sunrise. I have a dozen or so episodes recorded in HD on my computer, so whenever I want to wind down, I'll put one of those on.

It sounds to me like InHD is a lot like HDNet. They focus a lot on the quality of their programming. They have everything from news stories to women in bikinis on exotic beaches. I mean you really can't go wrong with hot chicks on exotic beaches wearing next to nothing in the full glory of 1920x1080! hehe

I get the PBS OTA channels too. There are 3 of them here near St. Louis. Excellent programming. Things are slowly switching over to HD, and by the end of next year, ALL channels are "supposed" to be switched over to HDTV. That would require people who don't want to spend the $$ for an HDTV to buy a converter box to downconvert the HD signal to fit onto their SD screen. Of course the price of HDTVs is dropping every day. We haven't even begun to tap into the exciting world of HD programming. With 19 megabits of bandwidth on each channel, they could theoretically send much more than audio/video. You could have personalized commercials, additional information in the form of brochures (for example, if you see a car you like and want to know more about it, the brochure could be right there in the HD signal for you to view), and a whole host of other cool features. This is an exciting time when it comes to broadcast technology.

 
I know what you mean about the HDTV prices. I walked in Best Buy and was floored when I saw my TV for $379.00! 26-inch HD. It isn't a flat panel, but is a flat screen with a regular picture tube. With the HDTV antenna new TV stand and high power protection, I paid around $550 out the door. I figure that is a bargain! The fiancee has a 52-inch flat panel mounted on the wall of her den that she paid $6,000 for, but I don't like TV that much!



I haven't found that channel with the hot babes in bikinis. I guess my daughter wouldn't want me drooling in the living room anyways. I'll just watch the other type of natural scenery. :D
 
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lol, well, if you plan on shipping your daughter off for an evening or two, let me know and I'll convert the files to something that can be uploaded in a reasonable amount of time so you can watch the natural scenery of 36-24-36. ;)

There's a lot of watch on HDTV, and it's only going to get better.
 
April 7, 2009 is the date that non-digital TV signals will be banned. Everyone will need a new digital TV or set top receiver by that date to pick up over the air signals.
 
Nelson,

It all depends on what you like. While I would love to watch some of the ESPN-HD programming, I don't think it's worth the extra money it would cost to get just that for as little as I would watch it, especially since I also have an OTA antenna. And since Cox in OKC does not carry the local Fox (KOKH 25 - channel 12 on Cox SD) or WB (KOCB 34 - channel 11 on Cox SD) networks due to a dispute over cost with Sinclair broadcasting - the owners of the local Fox and WB stations. (I don't have HBO or Showtime so their HD programming does nothing for me.)



Personally, I think you have the best reception setup available in OKC right now, based on cost vs value. Until Cox starts to offer a lot more HD channels, and ALL the available locals, I'd stick with what you have.



I'm wating for the 25" and smaller widescreen tube TV's to get to about what you paid before I get another TV. Right now I only have one HD TV - a 58" Pioneer Elite I bought 5 years ago. :)



BTW: check out the site below for a lot of Oklahoma HD news.



John

 
Rocco, I forgot to mention mine was widescreen too. I think mine would fit your needs. 26" widescreen HDTV tube technology, with built-in digital tuner.



Here's a link to what I bought:



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Ive got a 42 inch plasma flat screen HDTV. I have my HD channels through time warner and I get the same thing as Scott Simon mentioned. Two INHD channels, plus HD Discovery and HDTNT + ESPN. Anytime there is a HD show on abc, cbs or nbc, I have a few different numbered channels to switch to so the show will be in HD.





The hd discovery is AWESOME, especially on the 42 inches of plasma, lol:rolleyes:
 
Nelson I cant say anything about sat or cable as I am not useing their services for HD feed. My issue is that right now it dosent seem to be enughf HD stations for the extra $. It is getting better though as more stations (cable and sat exclusive) make the switch. Another issue is that alot of HD channels dont have acess to 24-7 volume of true HD media so alot of shows get "upscaled" the siginal is HD but the picture is closer to a realy good DVD quality. I use an OTA setup for now and was able to do it for a reasonable price as I did the grunt work myself. The antenna was about $50 , cable 100' $15 , rotor and mast $45 and last a preamp $35 . I recive many stations and am always amazed at the quality of the picture when viewing HD programing. My set has the OTA digital tuner intergrated into the unit so that saved me some extra $ and setup, many consumers dont relize that unless you have this tuner of a box from a provider (cable or sat.) that you wont be able to view HD signals. Im just waitng now for HD-DVD to be released to the market. Im hooked we went with a 55" RPTV and my sports viewing experience was moved to a whole new level... Man I love mine:wub:
 
Rocco, that's a cool website. So is the one from Baron.



I agree walter about the sports. I'm not even a big sports fan, but I find myself watching baseball, just because the picture quality is so good! :D
 
The mandate for television stations is for them to broadcast in digital format. Digital format is not not automatically HD; so all stations will not be HD.



Nelson-

Since your TV is new, it should also have a digital input connection. If you have a DVD player with a digital out connection ( I think these connections are called HDMI ), you should connect them together using this connection. DVD's will look much better since there will be a digital to digital connection instead of digital to analog to digital; a cleaner transfer of data.



Terry
 
Most likely, his DVD player wouldn't have any digital connections unless it's practically brand new. The ones with DVI/HDMI have just started showing themselves in the past 6-8 months, and then they've been considerably more expensive than the regular analog models. However, it really depends on the quality of the machine. Even some of the DVI/HDMI versions have digital to analog connections inside the box (which is just STUPID in my opinion). You really need to do your homework if you buy a new DVD player to make sure that everything is digital to digital. Also, do NOT spend extra money on a DVD player that "upconverts" your DVDs to 720p or 1080i, that's one of the biggest marketing gimmicks I've ever seen. If anything, that could make your picture WORSE. You physically cannot add pixels to a movie and have it look as good as the original. Some DVD players suffer considerably in quality when you upconvert, some don't. I'd just say don't bother with an upconverted DVD player. If you want HD DVDs, wait until BluRay or HD-DVD comes out, then buy a DVD player with DVI/HDMI.

Also keep in mind that just because you're using DVI, that doesn't guarantee a full digital experience. There are three types of DVI. DVI-I, DVI-A, and DVI-D. DVI-D is full digital/digital quality all the way through, DVI-A adds an analog conversion to the mix and DVI-I works with both digital AND analog.

You're generally safe with HDMI though.

Most people probably won't be able to tell the difference between an analog and digital connection if you're using crappy cables or a poor quality HD monitor. CABLES MATTER!! I wish I had a dollar for every person who's asked me why their picture isn't as good as the one they see in the store, or as good as mine. The first question I ask is what kind of cables do you use? Most of the time they say "I don't know" or "just whatever was on the shelf and cheap". At that point, I tell 'em to take the junk back and get some decent cables. Again, this is where you need to do some homework. The old saying "you get what you pay for" applies to cables too. ;)

HD is a very exciting technology, and it's not exactly a cheap thing to get into, but if you want the best TV/Movie experience possible, there's no alternative to HD (right now anyway). We're living in a very exciting time as far as TV goes. The old NTSC standard was created in the 1930s and color was added in 1941 if I remember correctly...not much has changed since then. If you find a color TV from 1942 that still works (no blown tubes, etc) you can still watch virtually anything that's broadcast over standard definition TV channels. Can you name one other technology that we're using today that is exactly the same as it was in 1941?? Didn't think so. It's TIME for an upgrade. :D
 
What Scott Simon said....I have Comcast and the HDTV dual tuner DVR and live if very, very good! Between HBO and Starz, and the DVR tuner it's like getting at least 4 or 5 good first-run movies a month, on HD, when you want to watch them as I set up my dvr to capture them and watch them later. But, you WILL have to stop going to the movies and renting DVDs for about 4 or 5 months so that what's NEW on Saturday nights on HBO and Starz is NEW TO YOU...which wasn't a hardship since.



TJR
 
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