Rant

[Wayne Costin]

Another fact: Bush's approval rating is the lowest of any president in the last 70 years!!!!

 

[Carlos Reyes]

WC I dont think we would have had nearly as much conflict but I do not think it would have stopped war all together. I dont think any one religion is better than another because the majority of them have raged war. The fact a religion can preach peace and love for all humanity and someone when it fits their needs be translated into "kill all who are different" is just crap to begin with.





Tom sure we can leave, and watch Iran take over. I could personally care less myself I just do what I am told.



I don't have a personal opinion on whether it would be best to stay or go but you cant help but wonder what the world would be like if the US Armed Services acted like the Romans did or hell even acted half like what Extremist groups do and just burned entire cities to the ground. This war would have been over week one and we still would have saved more lives and money.



It not really about if you think he is Christian or Muslim its more what the world views him as. Thats only important because he is our representative as a nation. But this is only a factor if you give a crap about what other countries have to say or think. Not like I care, I dont work in a Embassy overseas so it's not like my place of residence is a target.

 

[Thomas Rogers]

This song dedicated to WC:

Imagine there's no Heaven

It's easy if you try

No hell below us

Above us only sky

Imagine all the people

Living for today



Imagine there's no countries

It isn't hard to do

Nothing to kill or die for

And no religion too

Imagine all the people

Living life in peace



You may say that I'm a dreamer

But I'm not the only one

I hope someday you'll join us

And the world will be as one



Imagine no possessions

I wonder if you can

No need for greed or hunger

A brotherhood of man

Imagine all the people

Sharing all the world



You may say that I'm a dreamer

But I'm not the only one

I hope someday you'll join us

And the world will live as one

My 15 yo son called John Lennon a "Commie" yesterday. I think he may be more conservative than his old man, and that's not necessarily a good thing!



TJR

 

[Wayne Costin]

The #1 thing to remember is that which makes our country great and unique is the ability for us to sit here and have this debate! I often play devils advocate in discussions merely because I feel to find the real meaning behind something is to investigate all angles, afterall we were given the ability to think...well, some of us anyway!

 

[Wayne Costin]

TJR,



Thanks!!!!! Great song and a prophecy???????

 

[Gavin Allan]

I don't want my country run by the majority. I want it run by persons with above-average intellegence. People like Sport Trac drivers. Can you imagine how screwed up things would be here if the white house and congress were all a bunch of Avalanche drivers?

 

[Carlos Reyes]

:lol: @ Gavin

 

[Brett Wustman]

I think very highly of Blackwater. Check out this article I have linked. I graduated high school with these three girls, and know them and their families very well. Blackwater did a good thing for them.

 

[Bud Williams]

yes wc,

Ball Ground GA you familiar with it?

and yes our Governor did a rain prayer.

It seemed to work the lakes are pretty fulll now and we are not in

that bad of a drought.

Now we need to send him to the mid west and do a sun prayer!

 

[EddieS'04]

Barack has stated his support for Luo Raila Odinga (Opposition Leader in

Kenya who signed a 'Shariah pact' with Muslims and claims to be Obama's

cousin) and is married to Ida Odinga. They have four children - two sons and

two daughters. His oldest son, Fidel, is named after Fidel Castro.

[Broken External Image]:



Any truth in this. If so what is Obama really??

 

[Brett Wustman]

re: Rant by wcMember Profile,6/19/2008 16:39 ET



Another fact: Bush's approval rating is the lowest of any president in the last 70 years!!!!



How about Nancy Pelosi's approval rating, WC???

 

[Bud Williams]

Congress doesn't have to do anything.

They get elected, serve two years

(which means they are actually running for re-election)

and if by chance the tide turns against them,

they get their pension, based on a salary of 140K per year.

What a crock! No wonder CEO's are pillaging their

board of directors, Congress in doing the same to the

tax payers. And all we do is elect some other crook

to take their place.

We need a third party, and maybe a system of pay that merely

pays them a stipend, like Jury duty pay while they serve.

They can take time off from their regular jobs, most

are rich already anyway.

How about electing a regular middle class guy.

set up an pull out couch in their office and let them eat

sandwiches from the vending machine for two years

with a 6 year term limit for congress and 12 years

for Senate. And make them use the same medical

coverage as our Military. That means going to the base clinic

or hospitol and waiting in line with our guys, and seeing

a young luitenant just out of med school with the long fingers!:lol:

They do not deserve any better!

 

[Gavin Allan]

WAR is a racket. It always has been.



It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.



A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.



In the World War a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their tax returns no one knows.



How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle? How many of them dug a trench? How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dug-out? How many of them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun bullets? How many of them parried a bayonet thrust of an enemy? How many of them were wounded or killed in battle?



Out of war nations acquire additional territory, if they are victorious. They just take it. This newly acquired territory promptly is exploited by the few – the selfsame few who wrung dollars out of blood in the war. The general public shoulders the bill.



And what is this bill?



This bill renders a horrible accounting. Newly placed gravestones. Mangled bodies. Shattered minds. Broken hearts and homes. Economic instability. Depression and all its attendant miseries. Back-breaking taxation for generations and generations.



For a great many years, as a soldier, I had a suspicion that war was a racket; not until I retired to civil life did I fully realize it. Now that I see the international war clouds gathering, as they are today, I must face it and speak out.



Again they are choosing sides. France and Russia met and agreed to stand side by side. Italy and Austria hurried to make a similar agreement. Poland and Germany cast sheep's eyes at each other, forgetting for the nonce [one unique occasion], their dispute over the Polish Corridor.



The assassination of King Alexander of Jugoslavia [Yugoslavia] complicated matters. Jugoslavia and Hungary, long bitter enemies, were almost at each other's throats. Italy was ready to jump in. But France was waiting. So was Czechoslovakia. All of them are looking ahead to war. Not the people – not those who fight and pay and die – only those who foment wars and remain safely at home to profit.



There are 40,000,000 men under arms in the world today, and our statesmen and diplomats have the temerity to say that war is not in the making.



Hell's bells! Are these 40,000,000 men being trained to be dancers?



Not in Italy, to be sure. Premier Mussolini knows what they are being trained for. He, at least, is frank enough to speak out. Only the other day, Il Duce in "International Conciliation," the publication of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said:



"And above all, Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace... War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the people who have the courage to meet it."



Undoubtedly Mussolini means exactly what he says. His well-trained army, his great fleet of planes, and even his navy are ready for war – anxious for it, apparently. His recent stand at the side of Hungary in the latter's dispute with Jugoslavia showed that. And the hurried mobilization of his troops on the Austrian border after<

 

[EddieS'04]

Gavin, nice article about the blood money and some truth. Call me a patriot or an idiot. For WWII, I truly believe the USA would not be here without the intervention.

I served 2 yrs in Vietnam. As I look back we didnot belong there. On the other hand I will never deny my chance to serve where my country sent me. I stand proud to be a vet.

 

[Tom Schindler]

Call me a patriot or an idiot.

A true patriot questions the government, it officials, and its policies all the time. A true patriot will stand up when he, or she, thinks something is wrong. People think a Patriot should support the government in whatever they do.



They could not be more wrong.



If you see someone doing something wrong that can lead them to injury, a person that loves them will tell them so.





Tom

 

[Ryan Schaecher]

A true patriot questions the government, it officials, and its policies all the time. A true patriot will stand up when he, or she, thinks something is wrong. People think a Patriot should support the government in whatever they do.



They could not be more wrong.



If you see someone doing something wrong that can lead them to injury, a person that loves them will tell them so.

A "True Patriot" is someone who stands up and fights for what they believe. It has nothing to do with they agree or disagree with the current political climate. I could care less if it was Clinton or Bush, I will stand up and fight for or aginst the policies that I believe in. I wrote my congressman just two days ago applauding him for three things:



1) Signing onto HR 4900

2) Staying off of HR1022

3) Staying off of HR6257



I called by senators when Bush, McCain and Kennedy were trying to ram the amnesty bill down our throats, but also sent a message to the White House thanking them for dropping Mrs. Meirs as a nominee for the SCOTUS.



A True Patriot loves his country and is willing to stand (and die) for what is right. It's not about "question(ing) the government, it officials, and its policies all the time". That is hogwash. If standing for what is right means questioning the governmental policy, so be it. But it is also right to stand against protestors that are against these same policies if the policies are soemthing you agree with.



I stood against war protestors in my town right after "Shock and Awe" started. Sometimes a man (or country) has to retailiate after a sucker punch.



Soldiers who die fighting for freedom for this country are in harms way by following orders. They can question to some degree but if the orders are lawful, they must follow them. I would put them into Patriot category and also into the Great American's category.



Purely questioning the policies and policy makers does not make you a "true patriot". Taking a stand and being willing to fight for it does.

We got every right to talk about the government as we see fit. If you don;t like that, move somewhere that only allows positive speak about the government.

Yes, you do have the right. You also have the responcibility for speaking up. However, you have the responcibility to deal with the consequencies, something Hollywood and The Dixie Chicks should learn about.



I think it's disgraceful what a lot of people do and say about this President (and about Mr. Clinton as well). But it's their right to do so. It's one of the things that makes the United States of America the greatest country on Earth. HOWEVER: There has been a concerted move by the Liberal left and media to quash this. Look at now how you get criticized in this country for saying a particular presidential candidate's middle name (Hussain) or how if you criticize his (empty) policies, automatically you are racist. If you question his relationships with sketchy people (Rev. Wright, Father Flager, Mr. Rezko, Mr. Ayers, Mr. Farrakhan) you are branded a hate-monger.



Freedom of speech goes both ways. Criticize Mr. Bush all you want, but you have to accept just as much back about Obama (and there is a TON to say about this guy). Sorry, that's the way of life.

 

[Gavin Allan]

patriot

One entry found.



patriot









Main Entry: pa·tri·ot

Pronunciation: \&#712;pâ-trç-&#601;t, -&#716;ät, chiefly British &#712;pa-trç-&#601;t\

Function: noun

Etymology: Middle French patriote compatriot, from Late Latin patriota, from Greek patriôtçs, from patria lineage, from patr-, patçr father

Date: 1605

: one who loves his or her country and supports its authority and interests

Sounds like a patriot believes "my country right or wrong".

 

[Thomas Rogers]

Do patriots question/oppose their govt?



I'll let a smarter man than most of us here reply to that:

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Seems pretty clear to me...



TJR

 

[Wayne Costin]

budfromballground, I use to live in Woodstock, so yes, I am familiar with Ball Ground.

 

[Nick Barber]

I missed the part where Bush was "voted" into office.:huh: