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Not at all what I meant. I apologize for nobody's wrong doing and hold them fully accountable for their own individual decisions.



My point was, and not necessarily directed at anyone, that people get so upset and defensive of Muslims when they are unfairly characterized by their "fringe" extremists, but not so much as when it is done to Christians.



The line item thing was only done to get my point across that the extremist section is more prevalent (it is national policy in many countries) in Muslim cultures than in the Christian West but yet, it is a more sensitive subject to make any negative generalization about Muslims. Broad generalizations of Christians are passed off as jokes and likely even true, but generalizations about Muslims are ignorant and unfair. I'm not excusing generalizations of any group of people, but it is unfair to pretend that the generalizations are treated in a similar fashion in America.



Need an example? How much media attention would there have been if a Californian atheist decided to burn some Bibles? (I would really like for this question to be answered). My guess, zero. Would the Secretary of Defense, Secretary of State, and President of the United States have commented on it? Absolutely NOT! It would have seemed absurd for them to involve themselves in such a petty freedom of speech issue, wouldn't it? But its a whole different story if some idiot leader of a church of 50 wants to burn a Qu'ran. Then it is absolutely imperative that the highest leaders of the nation make it known how terrible an act this is. Do you see the double standard I'm trying to get at?



If I say there is a widespread evil hijacking of the teachings of Mohammad for politcal reasons, I am somehow Islamophobic. If an atheist says that Christians have misused the Bible for political reasons (which is absolutely true), they are historians and open-minded, but definitely not Christianphobic (not even sure how that word would spell out, because its not something that has probably ever been used).



Could I at least get an acknowledgment that there is a taboo in speaking ill of any connection between Islam and terrorism. Its as if many in this country would like us to believe that the terrorism is somehow entirely disconnected from Islam. As if its a small band of rag tag mountain men rather than entire political organizations with worldwide financial support. We could return to that mentality, but it didn't really work the first time.



The thing that is most wrong, IMHO, is characterizing everyone of a group as the same as the worst of their fringe.



Incorrect characterizations are the worst wrong you can think of? Murder isn't worse? Rape? Simple assault? Kicking a dog? Leaving chewed gum under a table? I can think of much worse things than misleading characterizations.
 
Hugh,,I will acknowledge what you are saying. This country has grown so hung up on what is PC. We have blinded ourselves into believing false, truths. There has grown a great double standard. In many areas of our daily lives. May it be religion, race or many things.



Im a Christian myself. Not a Zeleot though. I dont like or agree with groups that do bad things in the name of my God. On the other hand I dont like the double standard. I have to remember that my bible tells me that I will be mocked and misunderstood, for my belief. Also that my God doesnt need my defense. He is bigger than me. Not frivolous as we humans are. So I tend to stay more at peace. Knowing that it was written long ago. I would be treated this way. Doesnt mean I like it.



Thanks for your effort in pointing out the double standard. Do I think terrorism is connected to Islam? You bet I do. I think if Islam was used in its complete writings world wide by all muslims. They would have already conquered the world.



In all writtings in the bible. Get into the New testament and I read. That if someone doesnt want to hear about my Christian God. Iam to dust my feet and leave them alone. To step backwards in history. The Christian crusades were wrong. Notice in modern times most Christians get it. We have the bible to read ourselves. Most know that we are asked to take the gospel to world. But not through conquering. Sigh, I have to admit there are some Christians that are stuck with 1000yr old thought.



Well I rambled and went :eek:fftopic: I will go crash now and let this go :back2topic:
 
Hugh, Eddie .............:supercool::supercool:



The Florida minister made his point. :sad: Worldwide the Muslims showed their true colors....peace & understanding, what a joke.:argue:

Westboro Baptist Church .......... what a bunch of IDIOTS ! :angry: I have friends in the Patriot Guard and they do a great job, all they can do, of minimizing WBC interference at the funerals.:supercool: I'm looking forward to November and 2012!:fire::fire:
 
Steve M,,thank your freinds for me. If I was financely able to get a road king or heratige soft tail. I would ride with one of the local groups. I could by a cruiser from japan cheaper, but Im a harley guy. Even a 5yr old one holds value.:supercool:
 
Hugh, reread the quote of mine that you posted. I used the word "worst", not to characterize the act of a misleading characterization, but attributed that adjective to saying that there are those that are characterizing SOME Muslims as being like the WORST done by a FEW FRINGE.



I wasn't saying anything about how bad (good, bad, worse, worst) the act of mischaracterizing is.



TJR
 
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So, Tom Caymen, everyone from Georgia is a redneck? Is that like everyone from north of the Carolinas being an a-hole?



Nope, WV, Va, NC, SC, etc is full of them. So is OH, NY, PA, CA, and every other state in the USA.



In reference to the mentally challenged, they are most always some of the most lovable people you'll meet.



My sister is retarted and she is nothing lovable. Actually pretty scary when she throws a fit and starts banging her head on the walls and floor.





Tom
 
Of course not all Muslims are extremists, but there obviously are a greater number of them than there are of Christian extremists.

Don't be so sure of that.



Eddie, thanks for posting that link--further evidence as to why the term "FOX News" is an oxymoron.
 




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In reference to the mentally challenged, they are most always some of the most lovable people you'll meet.



I said "most". My daughter volunteers to work several Special Olympic and other events for handicapped folks every year and enjoys it thoroughly. I'm sorry your sister is one of the "scary" people who lose control. There are several challenged young adults that volunteer their services where my wife works. One young lady has a rather hostile attitude when she arrives but after "working" for a little while her personality changes dramatically. The social worker who brings them is a nasty old b**ch, heard regularly to yell at them and call them *******.........quite possibly the reason this particular young lady has such an attitude issue until she's been around people who treat her like a person for a while.



My sister is retarted and she is nothing lovable. Actually pretty scary when she throws a fit and starts banging her head on the walls and floor.



I believe that is retarded(not my choice of words). Not all of these folks can control their actions or respond favorable to attention, respect and love. That's unfortunate and it makes caring for them a difficult task. Our prayers go out to your sister and your family for comfort and patience.



I was going to make a smart a** comment towards you Tom but decided it improper considering the subject and controlled myself. I'll get you next time!:cheeky:
 
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Speaking of retarded...I find it offensive, not the word, but the fact that a perfectly good word that actually means something is now politically incorrect because some people used it in a derogatory manner. Same with moron, stupid, etc.



Ignorant people will always get their feelings hurt when you call a spade a spade.



TJR
 
Regarding Eddie's video posting...



It's just another scare-factor Fox story. It's been almost two years since the cab driver thing was settled. The ruling? If the Somali cab drivers don't like booze-carrying or drunk passengers or those with service animials, they can find a new job. In other words, the cabbies must transport according to Minnesota and federal law. And guess what. They agreed to obey the ruling.



Regarding the Target thing, I've seen cashiers who were hardcore religious fundimentalists refuse to scan beer or wine. Do the merchants fire them? No...they reassign them or have someone else scan the alcohol. The Muslim bacon thing is no different. Therefore, the Fox dude trying to scare his viewers into believing that Minnesota is on the verge of adopting Sharia law is nothing but a fearmonger.
 
To each is own, but if they try to try to take my bacon away.



"You will have to pry my hickory smoked bacon from my cold dead hands."



:fire::fire:



 
I kind of figured my questions would get ignored because the answers are obvious and embarrassing.
 
If Minnesota is Somalia, and the Muslims there equate to the Muslims in Somalia, then who equates to the Somali Pirates, who are avidly opposed by the growing pro-Sharia Muslim factions there?



So WHY would anyone leaving their country, because it sucks, try to bring their own laws here, laws that are responsible for the utter obliteration of the once rich & educated arab world, and their country of emigration?



Sadly, I don't think Target gave in willingly to this stupidity, I'd like to believe that they wanted to fire the people, not doing so only because they knew that the politically correct society would crucify them, and that is something they cannot afford, especially in MN where people would actually care. Sadly. I'd fire them, just throwing that out there.



As for the cabbies, they are clearly not independent cabbies, else they wouldn't have to fight for this "right" to reject clients...so then if I were the cab company, I'd fire these drivers as they are trying to impinge upon MY profits. Just because they don't mind making less money, because any amount they make is thousands of times more than they'd get back in Somalia, does not mean that I could afford their vanities.



Tolerance is Acceptance, and as MN has acquiesced to their demands, de facto, I do not consider this issue to be "settled", despite its age.







 
I saw yours and Steve's comments and I agree. I suppose TJR did, too, since his only disagreement was with my misunderstanding of semantics. :grin:
 
Hugh,



I didn't see your question above because I think it lacked as question mark. I think you asked for agreement that bashing Islam for its extremist fringe is somehow taboo.





Yeah, it may be to some, but not too me. I think that Islamic leaders have done too little to denounce the extremists. They should do more. I have no problem with calling out the extremists. I have no problem with putting pressure on Muslims to denounce the extremists.



However, I already stated my objection - and it is against those that seem to use the term "Muslim" and "Islamic Extremist" synonomously. I'm not sticking up for terrorists with that objection...just sticking up for enlightenment.



TJR
 

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