Ted Nugent's wife

[Mark K 2]

Ted Nugent's wife was arrested at DFW for bringing a handgun in her carry-on. I'm trying to picture how this happens. You're at home going through your checklist: "No nail clippers. No liquids. No pocket knife. Handgun? Oh, I'll pack that under my socks." Can someone explain how this happens?

 

[Frank screwyourednecks]

When you and especially your husband are insane freaks with an unhealthy gun fetish...its bound to happen.



Bet Nuge put it in her bag and didn't tell her. He was dodging the cops like he dodged the draft. Chicken hawk just like the rest of the Right wing talking heads. Never served never trusted. NONE OF EM EVER SERVED!!!

 

[H D]

John McCain?

 

[Richard L]

Mark,

I think only Nugent's wife can explain that? I know when I traveled a lot I kept a bag packed and if I was driving I carried a pistol in my bag, but I always took it out if I was flying. Maybe she just forgot...it happens and she will pay the consequences,....probably forfiet the gun, lose her Texas Concealed Carry License, and pay a fine.



I will not even reply to air-head Frank's stupid remarks.



...Rich

 

[Kevin Lang]

At some level I'm disappointed that citizens of TX need a CCL. The Texas of today, the whole West, really, cannot be the same place that was described in the Westerns. They must have meant a different CA/TX/KS...

 

[user 64972]

Maybe Barry will "shoot one across her bow" as a warning! LOL

 

[Richard L]

KL,

CA/TX/KS ??? With the exception of the District of Columbia, all states issue Concealed Handgun Licenses. 8 of those states have the option to deny a CHL to citizens based on insufficient need? Those states are CA, AL, NY, NJ, MA, CT, DE, MD and HI.



All the other states will issue a CCL/CHL to any citizen that legally qualifies by attending a certified training classes, and do not have a criminal record that would deny them that right.



Even Obama-land, (Illinois) now allows their citizens the right to carry concealed weapons.



...Rich

 

[H D]

I didn't have to take a training class in Georgia.

 

[Richard L]

Hugh,

Yes, some states do not require classes for a concealed handgun permit.



Texas requires the 6-8 hour classes on the law, and that is followed by a a qualification firing at 3 different distances 3 meters, 7 meters and 15 meters, both in slow fire and rapid fire modes and you have to score at least 70% hits.



Tomorrow, September 1st several new laws go into effect regarding Concealed Hangun License in Texas. The first is the lowering requirement for the Shooting part, Extending the expiration date of the CHL, and an accelerated training for School teachers. I don't know all the details yet.



...Rich

 

[EddieS'04]

Tomorrow, September 1st several new laws go into effect regarding Concealed Hangun License in Texas. The first is the lowering requirement for the Shooting part, Extending the expiration date of the CHL,

Rich, does the extension also affect us that already have a chl?

I got mine about 4 months ago. Had to shoot 50 rounds total for profieciancy. 8 hrs class room.

 

[Richard L]

Eddie,

I don;t think so since ours already has the expiration date printed on it....which is on your birthday, 5 years after it was issued My CHL expires in 2016. I don't know how long the new ones are good for...probably 6 years, like they extended the drivers licenses back about 8-10 years ago. I suspect that when you go back to requalify your new CHL will have the extended date....and you only have to attend a shorter class to update you on all the new laws. I don't think you have to shoot again, but I don't mind if I do.



Ya, that was the same amount of rounds I had to shoot. My instructor told me that I had already qualified before we even went back to 15 meter shooting line...:grin: My class room time was only about 7 hours because I was the only one in the class. He was supposed to have 2 more but they did not show up? He only gives the classes once a month and did not want me to have to wait another month because I just missed the previous class by a few days.



...Rich

 

[H D]

:back2topic::grin:

Through July, security found 57 guns in carry-on bags at D/FW Airport. The airport ranks second behind Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport, according to a Transportation Security Administration spokesman.

Obviously this happens more than many would realize. Personally, I know where my gun is at all times and am very aware of when and where it is "not allowed." While carry on luggage is not somewhere I think I'd forget I put a gun, I can see how it is just natural to have one on your person and not think much about it. I know it may shock some but having a gun on the hip is no less natural to many people than having a cell phone on the hip.



So, this happened 57 times in one month at the same airport and only once it made the news? I wonder why she was singled out?



Admittedly, it is a poor showing of responsibility as a gun owner.

 

[Kevin Lang]

Richard L, I meant that it is disappointing to me that in order to "legally" carry a concealed firearm a permit is needed in TX. As I live in a very blue state, a state competing with NY to be the "bluest" (and a state set to burn the 2nd Amendment on 10/1/13), I need to believe that there's a 2nd amendment loving part of the country out there. Helps my sanity :grin:



No cowboy in the Westerns of yesteryear needed to be concerned about some government-issued piece of paper when they strapped on their heat before heading into town. TX today is a lot closer to the 2nd Amendment than my state but it's still a long ways away from it. :cry: :smack:

So, this happened 57 times in one month at the same airport and only once it made the news? I wonder why she was singled out?



Admittedly, it is a poor showing of responsibility as a gun owner.

I do wish that she hadn't said that she "forgot" that the gun was in her bag. That seems pretty irresponsible to me, though I believe that she is telling a (poorly thought through) white lie. I have to. I wish that she had said something along the lines of Ted's mantra that no local/state/federal government can stop an American from taking their firearm anywhere. If the company that owned the plane objected to firearms on-board (without being pressured by The Man) then that would be a different thing altogether but the article says that the TSA was again ignoring the Constitution.

 

[Richard L]

KL,

Sorry. I misinterpreted your earlier statement.



I think the only good part about licensing people to carry concealed weapons, is that it makes it easier for police to tell the good guys from the bad guys (convicted felons) who are not allowed to own a gun. Unfortunately, the honest citizens have to go through all the legal crap just to show they are legally allowed to carry a gun. Without licensing, they would have to check out every person found with a gun to see if they are a convicted felon. That would be a bigger inconvenience to all citizens. But I also see that licensing results in having to Pay a fee for our 2nd Amendment rights..:angry:



I don't have any problem with the TSA banning the carrying of guns through airport security check points...I just don't think that people with CCL/CHL should be arrested at the security checkpoints. TSA should tell the person that they cannot pass through security with a gun and will not be allowed to pass through security or board an aircraft with a gun. That allows the passenger to do something with the gun before going through the checkpoint.



Perhaps the air lines could have a gun storage service for a fee (we all know how the air lines like to charge extra fees), or the passenger might give the gun to a friend or family member to hold until they get back.



...Rich

 

[Richard L]

KL,

Sorry. I misinterpreted your earlier statement.



I think the only good part about licensing people to carry concealed weapons, is that it makes it easier for police to tell the good guys from the bad guys (convicted felons) who are not allowed to own a gun. Unfortunately, the honest citizens have to go through all the legal crap just to show they are legally allowed to carry a gun. Without licensing, they would have to check out every person found with a gun to see if they are a convicted felon. That would be a bigger inconvenience to all citizens. But I also see that licensing results in having to Pay a fee for our 2nd Amendment rights..:angry:



I don't have any problem with the TSA banning the carrying of guns through airport security check points...I just don't think that people with CCL/CHL should be arrested at the security checkpoints. TSA should tell the person that they cannot pass through security with a gun and will not be allowed to pass through security or board an aircraft with a gun. That allows the passenger to do something with the gun before going through the checkpoint.



Perhaps the air lines could have a gun storage service for a fee (we all know how the air lines like to charge extra fees), or the passenger might give the gun to a friend or family member to hold until they get back.



...Rich

 

[H D]

We should only check a person for their legal right to carry if they are caught doing something illegal and happen to have a gun in the commission of a crime. There's no reason to suspect everyone with a gun is carrying illegally or to force a registry, I mean licensing. We're way beyond that point now, though.



Not really an issue for me because if I have my gun on me, you'll never know. Even my wife rarely does until we get home and I take my shirt off.



If you have a license to carry and get to a security checkpoint with a gun, you should have the option to check it like all other items disallowed for carry-on. What's the difference? Do they arrest everyone that leaves too big of a fluid filled bottle in their carry on? Does it make the news?

 

[Richard L]

Hugh,

That's kind of how it works now...Generally the police assume you are not armed and do not search people unless they are suspected of a crime. They are not allowed to search you for just a minor traffic violation...but they do have the right to protect themselves....so they will often ask if you have any weapons on you, or carrying anything illegal. They often will ask you if they can pat you down, if you seem a bit too nervous etc.



In Texas, if you are pulled over for a traffic violation, you are required by law to hand the officer your driver's license and your CHL even if you are not carrying a weapon at that time. This alerts the officer that you might be armed. He may even ask you to hand him the weapon or he may take it while he discusses the traffic violation (yes, some people get very irate when stopped for a traffic violation). After the traffic violation is resolved, he will hand you back your weapon and let you go on your way.



If you fail to display your CHL the officer will be alerted that you have a CHL when he runs your name/drivers license through the computer in the patrol car....Failure to present you CHL is illegal and you can be arrested and lose your gun and your CHL.



...Rich

 

[Robert Thomas]

Hugh



I'm not sure it is TSA's responsibility to manage the individuals mistake in bringing a gun to the security checkpoint. For one, it is illegal to carry a gun on the plane and to try to get it through a checkpoint. It is a Federal law not a State law, TSA has no reason to be concerned if the person has a CWP or not. The amount of fluid is a TSA regulation that most likely carries no criminal violation unless it is found to be a hazardous material.





TSA does not check luggage. It is the responsibility of the individual to go to the Airlines and use there procedure for transporting a weapon. Pre 911 I carried a weapon on plane regularly with certain restrictions. We had to show the airlines, at baggage check-in, identification, and declare that I was carrying a weapon. If we put it in the luggage we had to tell them an show that it was unloaded. Sometime they put a big sticker on it saying "Firearm Inside" or as we used to say "Steal Me". For this reason I carried it most of the time. I walked around security and told them I was armed to avoid a scene at the medal detector. The pilot had the last say if they would allow the gun to be carried on the plane. Only once was I stopped at the gate. There is no way, then or now, to get to security with a weapon and have them check it to the plane. You have to go back to the airlines.



After 911 it became a bit more involved to transport a firearm on a aircraft.

 

[H D]

Richard,

There are countless cases of police harassing legally carrying weapons for no reason other than seeing the weapon. There are numerous videos on YouTube showing this (although I feel those people are baiting cops if they have intentions of filming it). I have a friend in Alabama that was legally carrying and a cop pulled him over on his scooter and even claimed the reason was because he had a gun on his hip. He tried to disarm my friend and he refused. The cop drew on him and called for backup. He calmly sat on his scooter until the really pissed sheriff showed up, apologized, forced the officer to apologize and promised it would not happen again as he was reprimanding his officer. I know how it's supposed to be but my biggest concern with carrying is that an officer will notice, not another citizen.



Redfish,

There is no law regarding carrying a weapon on a plane. That is also simply regulation, just like the liquid container regulations.

 

[Richard L]

Redfish,

Most of what you said was true, but carrying weapons on board air planes in your carry-on luggage was prohibited long before 911. I think that stopped shortly after the Lockerbie-Pan Am bombing in 1988. It might even go back to the DB Cooper hijacking in 1971 which is when the US started putting US Marshals on some commercial air line flights.



Even when I returned from Vietnam in 1971, I brought back a war trophy in the form of a Chinese made Torkev 7.62mm automatic pistol. I had all the papers designating it as a war trophy, unloaded, and I could not bring any ammo with me, but I still was not allowed to have it in my carry on bag on any US commercial aircraft. I had to keep it in my checked baggage until I got home. That may have not been a US law, but it appears that all the airlines would deny handguns on airplanes...and they never left the option to the Captian.



...Rich