Ted Nugent's wife

[EddieS'04]

Rich,



I brought a Chichom SKS, home as a war throphy, 1972. Im glad I had a bag made,it needed more padding though. I was made to bag check it @ Thon- son- Nuht to Travis AFB. Then Frisco to Houston.



Worried about it disapearing all the way home.

 

[Richard L]

Eddie,

I was nervous about my ChiCom pistol disappearing too since it was in my dufflebag which could be easily cut open. But it made it just fine. I actually had ChiCom pistols in different conditions with broken hand grips, etc, so I mixed and matched parts to build the gun I kept with the best parts, and sold the other one before I left Vietnam.



Here is the link to the Texas CHL website that describes the new changes. It appears they are not extending the expiration dates as I originally thought from what I heard on the news, but you do not need to requalify or attend renewal training. And they reduced the CHL fees from $70 down to $25 for veterans and police officers.



http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/Legal/newlegislation.htm



...Rich

 

[Robert Thomas]

We put weapons of all kinds, with the exception of gas, in checked baggage without a problem all through the 70, 80, and mid 90's, with the only restriction being you had to tell the agent. It made no difference if you were a common citizen or LE. On the plane was never a problem if you were any LE with identification and you were working. If you put a weapon in carry on baggage it had to be locked with a big lock. But the pilot still had the last say. I was in a group of 15 people that would not board one flight because of it. It may have been different for international flights. As you say the individual airlines had different rules. We would never fly on some airlines, I forget which ones.



"War Bounty" was entirely different, I think they stopped that all together after Vietnam. I would like to know where I could get a copy of the order letting my father bring back 5 guns. I have found out that they are worth double if you have the documentation. Don't throw your letter away.

 

[Richard L]

Redfish,

My ChiCom pistol is gone as is all the documentation. I gave the gun to my brother-in-law many years ago, and I doubt that he even has it anymore.



I am also not talking about just international flights. I flew back from Vietnam on a commercial aircraft chartered by the US Military, and they would not allow carrying the weapon in my carry-on baggage. After I landed at Travis AFB, CA, got new uniforms, and had a steak dinner, I took a cab to San Francisco Airport to fly home. I was informed that no US airline allowed fire arms in their carry-on baggage. You were not required to declare weapons in your checked baggage.



If you and your party of 15 were allowed to carry weapons on some airlines, it may have been permitted for the specific group you were in, or certain other groups...but i'm sure those were the rule specified by a few airlines and if the airline did not allow weapons in the cabin, the Captain had no say in the matter, if he wanted to keep his job.



If you flew on the few airlines that allowed carry-on weapons, then it may have been up to the discretion of the Captain....But the mass majority of airlines did not allow guns in the cabin, although I recall seeing some rifles on-board that were in cases and were stored in closets by the stewardesses...in the 1st Class section of the plane.



Also, remember at that time there were no security checks, and if you had a gun in your carry on bag, nobody would know if you never mentioned it. If you asked, most would tell you that you had to put the weapon in your checked baggage.



...Rich

 

[Richard L]

Redfish,

My ChiCom pistol is gone as is all the documentation. I gave the gun to my brother-in-law many years ago, and I doubt that he even has it anymore.



I am also not talking about just international flights. I flew back from Vietnam on a commercial aircraft chartered by the US Military, and they would not allow carrying the weapon in my carry-on baggage. After I landed at Travis AFB, CA, got new uniforms, and had a steak dinner, I took a cab to San Francisco Airport to fly home. I was informed that no US airline allowed fire arms in their carry-on baggage. You were not required to declare weapons in your checked baggage.



If you and your party of 15 were allowed to carry weapons on some airlines, it may have been permitted for the specific group you were in, or certain other groups...but i'm sure those were the rule specified by a few airlines and if the airline did not allow weapons in the cabin, the Captain had no say in the matter, if he wanted to keep his job.



If you flew on the few airlines that allowed carry-on weapons, then it may have been up to the discretion of the Captain....But the mass majority of airlines did not allow guns in the cabin, although I recall seeing some rifles on-board that were in cases and were stored in closets by the stewardesses...in the 1st Class section of the plane.



Also, remember at that time there were no security checks, and if you had a gun in your carry on bag, nobody would know if you never mentioned it. If you asked, most would tell you that you had to put the weapon in your checked baggage.



...Rich

 

[Richard L]

Redfish,

My ChiCom pistol is gone as is all the documentation. I gave the gun to my brother-in-law many years ago, and I doubt that he even has it anymore.



I am also not talking about just international flights. I flew back from Vietnam on a commercial aircraft chartered by the US Military, and they would not allow carrying the weapon in my carry-on baggage. After I landed at Travis AFB, CA, got new uniforms, and had a steak dinner, I took a cab to San Francisco Airport to fly home. I was informed that no US airline allowed fire arms in their carry-on baggage. Since there were no security checks, then, the weapons in your carry on luggage was based on the honor system, and nobody asked you to declare that you had a weapon in your checked baggage....so I am sure many people carried them on board.



If you and your party of 15 were allowed to carry weapons on some airlines, it may have been permitted for the specific group you were in, or certain other groups...but i'm sure those were the rule specified by a few airlines and if the airline did not allow weapons in the cabin, the Captain had no say in the matter, if he wanted to keep his job.



If you flew on the few airlines that allowed carry-on weapons, then it may have been up to the discretion of the Captain....But the mass majority of airlines did not allow guns in the cabin, although I recall seeing some rifles on-board that were in cases and were stored in closets by the stewardesses...in the 1st Class section of the plane.



Also, remember at that time there were no security checks, and if you had a gun in your carry on bag, nobody would know if you never mentioned it. If you asked, most would tell you that you had to put the weapon in your checked baggage.



...Rich

 

[Robert Thomas]

Rich,



I think the point you are missing is getting on a plane with a law enforcement identification. That's most of the instances I was talking about. The group of 15 were all LE. We were in a group but not identified so to the airlines, but anyone could have figured it out with 15 from the same agency checking in at the same time. As we were boarding the pilot came and told us he was not going to allow us to carry on the plane. The group supervisor said no and we took a different flight on the same airline. There was never a question about his right or the airline backing him up.



I can only relate what I/we did up until I retired. Personally, I hated carrying a gun on a plane. Just one more thing you had to worry about.u

 

[Richard L]

Redfish,

You failed to mention the the Law Enforcement ID....so yes, I did miss that point...only because you never mentioned it? :smack:



I agree that Law Enforcement were permitted to carry weapons on aircraft....probably at least up till 911 I even recall a flight I was on way back in 1964 or 1965 where a uniformed Army SSgt was escorting/guarding a handcuffed prisoner who was in civilian clothes. The guard had a standard Army issue Colt 45 Automatic strapped on. The only thing that the stewardess told him was that the prisoner was not allowed to be handcuffed on the aircraft, for safety reasons? The prisoner was sitting in a window seat and the guard was in the isle seat and there was little risk of the prisoner escaping. I only saw that once, but I can assume it happened more often.



...Rich

 

[Richard L]

Redfish,

You failed to mention the the Law Enforcement ID....so yes, I did miss that point...only because you never mentioned it? :smack:



I agree that Law Enforcement were permitted to carry weapons on aircraft....probably at least up till 911 I even recall a flight I was on way back in 1964 or 1965 where a uniformed Army SSgt was escorting/guarding a handcuffed prisoner who was in civilian clothes. The guard had a standard Army issue Colt 45 Automatic strapped on. The only thing that the stewardess told him was that the prisoner was not allowed to be handcuffed on the aircraft, for safety reasons? The prisoner was sitting in a window seat and the guard was in the isle seat and there was little risk of the prisoner escaping. I only saw that once, but I can assume it happened more often.



...Rich

 

[Robert Thomas]

Hugh,

Redfish,

There is no law regarding carrying a weapon on a plane. That is also simply regulation, just like the liquid container regulations.

Title 49 USC 46505 Is a Regulation which was posted and has the force of law. I guess one could draw a fine line as to what is actually a law. Without a discussion of true law is only common law. I learned if you can be arrested for it, taken before a judge and sentenced it's probably a law. The amount of a liquid is probably a policy rather than a law, I don't know.



Rich,

On the plane was never a problem if you were any LE with identification and you were working.

Don't beat me over the head, I already have a problem not making things clear.



While we are at it stop making double and triple post :smack::smack:

 

[Richard L]

Redfish,

Sorry about the Triple Post, but was not aware of how that happened. I usually know when it happens because the may be a delay posting, and I'm not sure, so I post again, but I always go back and check for double posting. i don't recall any delays when I posted so I'm not convinced it was my fault....but I appologize if it was.



You did not mention the Law Enforcement Identification on your Post of 8/02/2013, and that's were I said that you could not carry weapons in your hand carried luggage?



Your next post talked about a party of 15 not allowed to carry guns on some airlines, and that's where you mentioned the LE and Identification...I did not make the connection that LE meant Law Enforcement nor did you say that you were part of Law Enforcement? So don't hit me in the head for your later claification...:grin:



Since Ted Nugent's wife, and most people on this website are not law enforcement, it certainly does not have any bearing on this conversation.



I am not criticizing your confusion, and I certainly understand your confusion, since I am often confused myself. :grin:



PS: It now appears that the multiple posts have disappeared??? So now I am not sure if they were deleted by Todd Z, or if they were some form of a ghost repeat postings?? I think they were just some glitch in the website???



...Rich

 

[Robert Thomas]

Classic problem with the world. Two people hitting each other in the head for no reason.



Is it my imagination or are thing disappearing from the forum.

 

[Richard L]

Redfish,

All my hitting in the head are meant to be humorous and not a slap in the face....If you were offended, I appologize.



As for things disappearing...It appears that is happening, and not your imagination. In the case of my triple posting on this thread, I saw it right after you mentioned it, but then later it was gone? I don't believe I triple posted, but I did see all three postings as did you...Then they were gone? I wonder if there was a glitch in the website that displayed my post 3 times for some time, and then was corrected?



...Rich

 

[Robert Thomas]

Just having fun as always. :grin:

 

[Richard L]

Redfish,

You know I appreciate your slightly off-center sense of humor...It fits well with mine..:supercool::grin:



...Rich