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I just posted this as I recieved it.

Didn't say I agreed or disagreed,

Didn't say I hated anyone.



I am certainly getting a good insight into the minds of some other people though.

Nothing like a touchy subject to bring out a touch of character.
 
Ok, here's another one.



"The future and success of America is not in this Constitution, but in the laws of God upon which this Constitution is founded.



President James Madison
 
WOW!!! Somebody had a brain fart this morning...



I honestly don't know how any moral person could have thought it was ok to post this.



This should have remained in your email IMO...



Thanks for the "good" insight...I can now continue on my day once again, knowing such narrow mindedness exist here on the board.

 
You know... Just because our Founders were Christian doesn't mean they intended the country for be specifically Christian, especially forever and ever. Stop citing slanted bits and pieces from your library of self-fulfilling references.
 
To many people being "narrow minded" means I don't agree with you. Calling someone "open minded" means I agree with you. Most people consider themselves open minded, so anyone that doesn't agree with them is obviously "narrow minded".



Narrow mindedness can and does exist on both sides.
 
Most people consider themselves open minded, so anyone that doesn't agree with them is obviously "narrow minded".



And here are two examples.



It's a secular country despite what you and your little world likes to believe.



Stop citing slanted bits and pieces from your library of self-fulfilling references.
 




I got this in an e-mail, who do you "SNOPES" to get the truth on Snopes?:lol:



Check this out about SNOPES







Received this from a friend who was in Panama, then to California and now on



the east coast. Worth putting into your thought process as you try to

unsnarl all the BS out there.











For the past few years www.snopes.com has positioned itself, or others



have labeled it, as the 'tell-all final word' on any comment, claim and

email. But for several years people tried to find out who exactly was

behind snopes.com.





Only recently did Wikipedia get to the bottom of it - kinda makes you

wonder what they were hiding. Well, finally we know. It is run by a husband



and wife team - that's right, no big office of investigators and

researchers, no team of lawyers. It's just a mom-and-pop operation that

began as a hobby. David and Barbara Mikkelson in the San Fernando Valley of

California started the website about 13 years ago - and they have no formal

background or experience in investigative research. After a few years it

gained popularity believing it to be unbiased and neutral, but over the past



couple of years people started asking questions who was behind it and did

they have a selfish motivation? The reason for the questions - or

skepticisms - is a result of snopes.com claiming to have the bottom line

facts to certain questions or issue when in fact they have been proven

wrong. Also, there were criticisms the Mikkelsons were not really

investigating and getting to the 'true' bottom of various issues.





A few months ago, when my State Farm agent Bud Gregg in Mandeville

hoisted a political sign referencing Barack Obama and made a big splash

across the Internet, 'supposedly' the Mikkelson's cla im to have researched

this issue before posting their findings on snopes.com. In their statement

they claimed the corporate office of State Farm pressured Gregg into taking

down the sign, when in fact nothing of the sort 'ever' took place. I

personally contacted David Mikkelson (and he replied back to me) thinking he



would want to get to the bottom of this and I gave him Bud Gregg's contact

phone numbers - and Bud was going to give him phone numbers to the big

exec's at State Farm in Illinois who would have been willing to speak with

him about it. He never called Bud. In fact, I learned from Bud Gregg no one



from snopes.com ever contacted anyone with State Farm. Yet, snopes.com

issued a statement as the 'final factual word' on the issue as if they did

all their homework and got to the bottom of things - not!





Then it has been learned the Mikkelson's are very Democratic (party)

and extremely liberal. As we all now know from this presidential election,

liberals have a purpose agenda to discredit anything that appears to be

conservative.. There has been much criticism lately over the Internet with

people pointing out the Mikkelson's liberalism revealing itself in their

website findings. Gee, what a shock?





So, I say this now to everyone who goes to snopes.com to get what they



think to be the botto m line facts...'proceed with caution.' Take what it

says at face value and nothing more. Use it only to lead you to their

references where you can link to and read the sources for yourself. Plus,

you can always Google a subject and do the research yourself. It now seems

apparent that's all the Mikkelson's do. After all, I can personally vouch

from my own experience for their 'not' fully looking into things.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snopes.com





I have found this to be true also! Many videos of Obama I tried to

verify on Snopes and they said they were False.... Then they gave their

Liberal slant....!!! I have suspected some problems with snopes for some

time now, but I have only caught them in half-truths. If there is any

subjectivity they do an immediate full left rudder. Truth or

www.truthorfiction.com a better source for verification, in my opinion.





I have recently discovered that Snopes.com is owned by a flaming

liberal and this man is in the tank for Obama. There are many things they

have listed on their site as a hoax and yet you can go to Youtube yourself

and find the video of Obama actually saying these things. So you see, you

cannot and should not trus t Snopes.com....ever for anything that remotely

resembles truth! I don't even trust them to tell me if email chains are

hoaxes anymore.





A few conservative speakers on Myspace told me about snopes.com

<http://snopes.com a few months ago and I took it upon myself to do a little



research to find out if it was true. Well, I found out for myself that it

is true. Anyway just FYI please don't use Snopes.com anymore for fact

checking and make your friends aware of their political leanings as well.

Many people still think Snopes..com is neutral and they can be trusted as

factual. We need to make sure everyone is aware that that is a hoax in

itself.
 
Readers' Digest a few months back pretty much said the same thing, though its reference to their left-leaning was at best implied, as they tried to stay neutral (something Snopes isn't renown for doing)



The RD article mentioned that the couple is so entrenched in research that they rarely see each other since they work on other sides of the house, and have actually tried affixing sticky notes to their cats to transmit messages. That had me going :blink:



Did anyone else read that article? I'd post it here, but I don't know where to access RD online, if I find it later, I'll post it.
 
Gavin,



It's funny you took one quote from Jefferson to prove your point.



I say that because the Jeffersonian Bible is essentially the New Testament less most of the gospels, less all of Jesus' miracles, less Jesus' claims of divinity, less the Trinity and less Jesus' resurrection. In other words, it was a book that chronicled Jesus "the man", his morality and his teachings.



That was Jefferson's Bible. He felt that everything else in the Bible was a nonesense for the most part.



So, if that is what Jefferson believes, is he a Christian? Jefferson seems to me to be as much a Christian as your average Jew, or Muslim that would also agree to the historical existence of Jesus "the man", but not have faith that Jesus was God's son and was resurrected for our sins.



Seems to me that Jefferson was no Christian, at least not by the same "measuring rod" (aka "stick of judgement") that most "born agains" use today.



TJR
 
Bill,



Not familiar with Oprah or her website. Does she have people on her show and her website that like to talk about facts and not fiction and folklore? If so, I can understand why you asked the question.



TJR
 
Oprah is 100% factual? Are you serious?



I've suffered enough reading what Oprah maintained were "Good" books....no one should have to read Beloved. And she unleashed Doctor Phil upon the world.



 
I guess the 2.5 weeks of everybody being good and not calling people out and getting their panties in a bunch is over.......it was nice while it lasted.
 

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