shawn stonbraker 2
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She's lived in Kingston for about 15 years. She is now getting ready to move back out here to Punxsutawney within the next few weeks. Too bad, I liked to go out there visiting.
Just amazes me....E-Bay....
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A K
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Ahh. My folks are on the west side of the Susquehanna also, in the mountains above Plymouth.
JK II
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Could just always buy a Wii. Plenty of people willing to give that up now lol.
joey reed
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I have no problem with making a buck infact if you started your auctions off with what you paid plus some for your troubles and people ran the bids up x3 then I say great I'm happy for you what i didn't care to see was the min bid starting at 1500 and higher and buy it now for 5g or higher why not a buy it now of say 1500 or 2000 but I guess if people are willing to pay go for it my big problem with ebay is the over priced shipping
but what if one of the 4 that you bought knocked someone else from getting one for their kid just a thought
but what if one of the 4 that you bought knocked someone else from getting one for their kid just a thought
yankeegator
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Do you realize that you're arguing about FREAKING VIDEO GAMES???
RE: the "ripoff" comments...
We are NOT talking about anything that even remotely resembles a NECESSITY here. This is NOT like the bozos who were gathering Katrina relief supplies and black-marketing them to the victims, or the tree-removal companies down here in Florida that quadrupled their prices during our 4-hurricane year. If some idiot is willing to pay $1500 for some insipid time-waster that's worth about a quarter, then what's the problem with someone accepting that much for it? NO ONE is holding a gun to anyone's head to pay ridiculous prices for some piece of crap that'll be obsolete as soon as the next "Greatest-Whatever-Ever" comes along...
If your only way to show little Junior how much you love him is by going without & managing to scrape up enough jack to buy some "hot" gift, then:
a. you've COMPLETELY lost ANY meaning of "Christmas;"
b. you have some other SERIOUS issues;
c. you're sending a WONDERFUL message to your children;
d. all of the above.
Somehow, somewhere, we've lost our way...we've gone from being a nation that STRIVES for "The Good Life" to one that EXPECTS the best of everything...
RE: the "ripoff" comments...
We are NOT talking about anything that even remotely resembles a NECESSITY here. This is NOT like the bozos who were gathering Katrina relief supplies and black-marketing them to the victims, or the tree-removal companies down here in Florida that quadrupled their prices during our 4-hurricane year. If some idiot is willing to pay $1500 for some insipid time-waster that's worth about a quarter, then what's the problem with someone accepting that much for it? NO ONE is holding a gun to anyone's head to pay ridiculous prices for some piece of crap that'll be obsolete as soon as the next "Greatest-Whatever-Ever" comes along...
If your only way to show little Junior how much you love him is by going without & managing to scrape up enough jack to buy some "hot" gift, then:
a. you've COMPLETELY lost ANY meaning of "Christmas;"
b. you have some other SERIOUS issues;
c. you're sending a WONDERFUL message to your children;
d. all of the above.
Somehow, somewhere, we've lost our way...we've gone from being a nation that STRIVES for "The Good Life" to one that EXPECTS the best of everything...
Joey -
Then I suppose they could find on here...http://www.cellhut.com/productdetail.asp?ProductID=2181
It's a legit business so I'm supposing it's OK for them to have a retail of $1200.
Yankee -
You're exactly right and I helped those "bozos" out by striving for "the good life".
Then I suppose they could find on here...http://www.cellhut.com/productdetail.asp?ProductID=2181
It's a legit business so I'm supposing it's OK for them to have a retail of $1200.
Yankee -
You're exactly right and I helped those "bozos" out by striving for "the good life".
Josh Langel
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Dave:
I hope you won't complain when gas hits $4.00 gallon... supply and demand... OPEC is probably grabbing as many PS3's as well so they can charge people three times as much...
But seriously... tiss the season to ripp off and make money.. gotta love Christmas.
I hope you won't complain when gas hits $4.00 gallon... supply and demand... OPEC is probably grabbing as many PS3's as well so they can charge people three times as much...
But seriously... tiss the season to ripp off and make money.. gotta love Christmas.
WXMotorSports DecalsPartsAccs
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Amazon will give eBay a run for their money. Their fees are less and they are only allowing business that have a business license to open up a store front. I can list unlimited # of items for the same monthly fee where eBay dings you for each item posted. And, instead of showing 50 exact items they show just one item and then the list of vendors selling them. eBay is all about being greedy, period. In the end you will see others like Amazon shove eBay to the curb.
Greg Stuhlsatz
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I don't bid on a item if the shipping is outrageous. Many people don't. It only hurts the seller.
Thomas Rogers
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Any yahoo that would pay $2K or more for a PS3 is doing so because:
a) They can.
b) They don't want to wait until the price drops in March when the market is flooded with them.
Now, some will beg, borrow, and steal (and kill) to have the PS3 now, which I find sad.
But the fact that the supply is so small and the demand so high, you are going to see scalpers, and that's just the nature of it.
If more people would be "reasonable" and "realistic", and "common-sensical" about it, the demand and therefore the price would be lower. But in this, "gotta have it now", "buy it on credit", "I have to be the first on my street with the new gismo" world we live in, tech toys like this will always be scalped.
Dave isn't creating the problem...just exploiting it.
TJR
a) They can.
b) They don't want to wait until the price drops in March when the market is flooded with them.
Now, some will beg, borrow, and steal (and kill) to have the PS3 now, which I find sad.
But the fact that the supply is so small and the demand so high, you are going to see scalpers, and that's just the nature of it.
If more people would be "reasonable" and "realistic", and "common-sensical" about it, the demand and therefore the price would be lower. But in this, "gotta have it now", "buy it on credit", "I have to be the first on my street with the new gismo" world we live in, tech toys like this will always be scalped.
Dave isn't creating the problem...just exploiting it.
TJR
Bill V
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OK, just curious--
Those of you who are complaining about Ebay and/or people who sell on Ebay--have you ever attended an auction? Of any type--estate auction, livestock auction, art auction, whatever. If so, what are your thoughts on that? Is it a rip-off? The process is nearly identical to how ebay works--it's just that ebay is bringing the bidders together electronically, instead of in person. If you find the auctions OK, but ebay and its sellers to be unacceptable, I don't understand why you have what appears to me to be a double standard. On the other hand, if you find auctions in general unacceptable, then I hate to break it to you, but it is supply-and-demand open economics in its simplest form, and is what our entire economy is based on. If you want something badly enough, you pay the price that it is available for. If that price is too high, you don't get it. End of story. No one on either side is doing anything "right" or "wrong", they're just playing their part in the system.
Those of you who are complaining about Ebay and/or people who sell on Ebay--have you ever attended an auction? Of any type--estate auction, livestock auction, art auction, whatever. If so, what are your thoughts on that? Is it a rip-off? The process is nearly identical to how ebay works--it's just that ebay is bringing the bidders together electronically, instead of in person. If you find the auctions OK, but ebay and its sellers to be unacceptable, I don't understand why you have what appears to me to be a double standard. On the other hand, if you find auctions in general unacceptable, then I hate to break it to you, but it is supply-and-demand open economics in its simplest form, and is what our entire economy is based on. If you want something badly enough, you pay the price that it is available for. If that price is too high, you don't get it. End of story. No one on either side is doing anything "right" or "wrong", they're just playing their part in the system.
Thomas Rogers
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True, Bill V, but then again, I can play Devil's Advocate here.
For the past three months, Elmo TMX (aka Tickle Me Elmo Extreme) has been unavailable at almost all retail outlets and online stores. The doll sells for $39.99, but since you can't find them in real and onlines stores because they fly off the shelfs, they are on eBay for $130, and more.
Now, I have followed this item closely the past few months, even subscribing to the website: www.tmxtracker.com.
Finally, yesterday, Target.com started shipping them again. And, for about 10 hours they were taking orders again. Subsequent, the price on eBay has dropped, but the supply increased. There has to be close to 13,000 of them on eBay right now...and the price has dropped (that's good).
The average price on eBay has dropped to around $50 to $50. Still a nice profit for a scalper.
However, here is the rub in the way of conjecture:
The doll is NOT really in limited supply, IMHO. The supply was quite adequate for the demand. The problem seems to be eBay. eBay scalpers expected this to be a product that was hot this Christmas, and thereby they have been buying them up in droves...and flooding eBay with them, to the point that the ONLY place you can get them is on eBay at inflated prices. If there WERE no eBay they would still be on the store shelves, ready to be bought at $39.99....so is my conjecture of which I cannot prove.
The PS3 isn't really the same because it *is* in very limited supply. Still, I have heard that some ridiculous figure like 3 out of every 5 PS3's bought from retailers this past month will be resold on eBay.
Food for thought.
For the past three months, Elmo TMX (aka Tickle Me Elmo Extreme) has been unavailable at almost all retail outlets and online stores. The doll sells for $39.99, but since you can't find them in real and onlines stores because they fly off the shelfs, they are on eBay for $130, and more.
Now, I have followed this item closely the past few months, even subscribing to the website: www.tmxtracker.com.
Finally, yesterday, Target.com started shipping them again. And, for about 10 hours they were taking orders again. Subsequent, the price on eBay has dropped, but the supply increased. There has to be close to 13,000 of them on eBay right now...and the price has dropped (that's good).
The average price on eBay has dropped to around $50 to $50. Still a nice profit for a scalper.
However, here is the rub in the way of conjecture:
The doll is NOT really in limited supply, IMHO. The supply was quite adequate for the demand. The problem seems to be eBay. eBay scalpers expected this to be a product that was hot this Christmas, and thereby they have been buying them up in droves...and flooding eBay with them, to the point that the ONLY place you can get them is on eBay at inflated prices. If there WERE no eBay they would still be on the store shelves, ready to be bought at $39.99....so is my conjecture of which I cannot prove.
The PS3 isn't really the same because it *is* in very limited supply. Still, I have heard that some ridiculous figure like 3 out of every 5 PS3's bought from retailers this past month will be resold on eBay.
Food for thought.
Bill V
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TJR, no argument--but I still see no problems with the system. Let's face it, if ebay didn't exist, people would still sell them, although primarily in local markets instead of national/international. Further, areas that happened to have greater supply would have significantly different prices than areas with lower supply. And ebay makes things available for purchase that never were available before because they were out-of-market. I still see more benefit to the average consumer because of ebay that downfalls.
Remember, only the buyers call them scalpers. To everyone else, they're entrepreneurs.
Remember, only the buyers call them scalpers. To everyone else, they're entrepreneurs.
Thomas Rogers
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I didn't necessarily say there was a problem, BillV. The genie (eBay) is already out of the bottle and we can't get it back. I just wonder, if in the case of TMX Elmo, if without eBay or anything like it, there would still been the dolls on the store shelves. I really think there would have been.
Before eBay it was the classifieds. But less was moved through them...a lot less.
TJR
Before eBay it was the classifieds. But less was moved through them...a lot less.
TJR
TomT
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It's kind of like ticket scalping. It's illegal for an individual to go buy a ticket and then turn around and sell it to another individual for a profit but it is NOT illegal for a company to buy the tickets from individuals they send to stand in line and then turn around and sell them at an inflated price. I've never really understood that.
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