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Dave Turley

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Well I finally decided to trade in the trac. I really liked the trac especially after I put new shocks, tires and the anti-sway bar on, it rode sooooo much better. There was nothing wrong with it but with a baby and two dogs it was just a matter of space. I bought a new Honda Odessy but my wife still has a 2004 Explorer. Thanks for all the advice over the past couple of years. This is a great site.
 
I put a cap on the truck, the dog loves the space.

I'd have got the Ford Van, I just can't seem to support

non-american products. Honda Odessy, is nice but I just can't do it

Japan and USA just see things different!















USA # 1
 
The Honda Odyssey may be a product of a Japanese-owned company, but it's assembed right here in the USA, so those that buy them are in fact supporting the American workers who assemble them and the economy around where the plant is located.



In fact, according to the September 2005 issue of Motor Trend, there are 48 new car and light truck models built in the U.S. by foreign-based automakers. This is up from 26 in 1994.



And, many models built by American automakers are actually assembled outside the U.S. If you want to get technical, there are only two U.S. based automakers left now, because the Chrysler Group (Chrysler, Jeep, & Dodge), are a part of DaimlerChrysler, based in Germany.
 
I like how you used the word "assembled" and not "built". I am glad you know the difference.





Tom
 
hack: I could see your point if the OP bought a Kia... was looking at the stickers on those, and it indicated 87% of the car came from Korea.... but Honda has been 'assembling' (happy, Tom?) vehicles in this country for over 20 years, supporting the families of American workers. There really isn't a 'true' domestic product made anymore. Need I get into the fact that your ST's tranny was built in France and the engine was built in Germany? :)
 
What is "built in America", Caymen? Does that mean ALL parts and all labor must come from America?



If so, I am afraid that NOT MUCH is BUILT IN AMERICA these days.



TJR
 
kinda funny......everyone wants to support USA built items but the computers you are all using are not made in america along with the clothes you and I are all wearing.



I guess it only applys to vehicles.......:blink:
 
If I could buy a computer made in the USA I would. If I could buy clothing made in the USA, I would.



My air compressor, was made in the USA. I specifically bought an air hose because the package said "Made in the USA".



The problem with cars is not so much being made here, but also the impact they have have in all aspects of life. For example, there is a company called Colfor. They make CV joints, tranny input shafts, and axles for the big three. When you buy a car built by Ford, you are also supporting those hard working men and women. Another company, IIRC, the name is Par Industries. They make knobs and switches for the big three. Another is Brush Welmen. They produce the contacts used in door switches. Another is AmCast. They produce suspension parts for the big three. How about a powder coating company that is in Norwalk, Oh. I forget the name, since it has beed 9 years since I was there. They powder coat many suspension parts used by the big three. Between the 5 companies, there are over 1000 employees that depend on the sale of American cars.



We forget about those companies. We just think, there is a plant, it is made in the USA. That is not always the case.





Tom
 
Caymen: you think Honda ships every part for the Odyssey from Japan? You don't think they buy parts from local suppliers?
 
Obviously this is a matter of opinion and I am not looking to change anybodies, but when I buy something I want it to last as long as it should. We all work hard for our money and we should have a quality product for the money we pay for any item, be it a car or a pen.



Sometimes, in my opinion, a product made in the USA doesnt show the quality that a product made abroad does.
 
Darin,



I never said that. I know one company that used to go by the name of EMI that made steering knuckles for Mitsubishi's. The company I used to work for inspected over 1 million of them.





Tom
 
After reading the messages above, I felt compelled to throw my two cents in as well.



I see the whole domestic vs foreign argument like this: American's want to buy quality products at a cheap price. Many of us are totally willing and desire to purchase American made products, so long as we get what we pay for. Let's face it: Quality often requires a few more dollars. Unfortunately, we have the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and rich big-business owners to thank for the decline in American quality products, which come with higher price-tags (in many cases) than their often better-built and more affordable foreign competition. If you remember about 12 or 16 years ago, Ross Perot had his "NAFTA is bad" slogan. He warned us that exporting our labor to places like Mexico and China would destroy the US economy. Turns out he was right. The auto market is a case in point. In an attempt to line their pockets with even more $'s these big businesses (Everything from cars, to appliances, to the clothes we wear) have farmed out their labor and manufacturing to these out of country locations, such as Mexico, Canada, China, Indonesia, and Pakistan. The trade off for this cheaper labor is often a decline in the quality of the product. So, we as consumers are forced to make a decision: buy a cheaper, foreign-made product, which in the case of cars are usually better built, or support the US economy and buy "American", which often cost more yet aren't as well built.



Basically it all boils down to those rich corporate execs and the politicians that allow them to export all of their labor are destroying the US economy and making it impossible for you and I to get a quality product here at home. If those same execs would keep their plants here in the US, they could make a much better product using American employees with years of experience, while simulteaneously creating more jobs. That will never happen though, because to do so would cause them to lose a few million here and there.



I just think it's sad that a person has to make a concious and dedicated effort to shop around to find quality made American products. You can't go to a mall anymore and find American made clothes. They are all made in Pakistan or China...two countries which pose HUGE threats to us from a strategic AND economic stand-point. Almost ALL electronics are made in China now as are most of the clothes carried by all of those trendy fashion outlets like Gap, American Eagle Outfitters, Structure, etc.



True, many of the foreign manufacturers have US car "assembly plants", which create jobs for us, and provide great jobs for the communities around them. However, all that profit is still going to a foreign business which is slowly eroding the US economy. It also doesn't help that the US auto industry has stagnated on it's designs and can't produce a resonably priced car that comes with the same amount of features and economy as their Japanese counter-parts. How else do you think we let Daimler-Benz buy out Chrysler in the first place? The same thing isn't far from happening to GM, either. Ford is really the last bastion of hope for the US auto market.



I plan on buying a ST as soon as I get back to the states from my tour in Afghanistan. I realize the ST isn't the BEST truck in the world, as evidenced by the large amount of talk about the rear sway bar and suspension components. However it suits all of my needs and is still an "American" product. If someone feels they need to by a Japanese or German car, then so be it. Both make great cars and are worth the money you pay for them, in my opinion. I've owned a '91 BMW 520i for 5 years now and have driven it all over Europe. It is solid as a tank and can still run like a scalded-dog on the Italian auto-strada. I only hope my ST proves to be as reliable and dependable as my old BMW has been.



Support the troops, buy American!!!!<sc
 
I think Tom (Caymen) cares less about whether the vehicles are assembled in the US. What seems to concern him most is that the vehicle is built/assembled by Union Workers :blink:
 
Nelson,



No, that is not it at all. I prefer my money to stay here in the USA. The Trac's engine and Tranny are assembled in Europe by the same company the makes the Trac, Ford. The world headquarters of Ford Motor Company is in the U.S.A. in a city called Dearborn, Michigan.



I don't have a problem with Non-Union workers. I have a problem with union busting companies that will cut thier own throught to eliminate the union. I have seen it.



Unions are a powerful tool for both workers and the company. Everything is worded out in the union contract. Many companies let the guys strike. They have strike insurance. They still get paid and get to deplete supplies during the strike. There are companies that lock thier employees out, even though they voted to work without a contract during negotiations.



The company I worked for locked the employees out in 2000. After three days, the Navy told my company that if they do not open the doors back up, they will loose all contracts. The following day, the guys were back to work. The Navy has thretened that if they ever do that again, they will loose the contracts on the spot.





DeadlyDavy,



CAFTA is another blow to the US. One of two things will have to happen for a "world economy" to work. Either the world will have to bring themselves up to the standard of living we have in the US, or we will have to lower our standards to the rest of the world. To be honest, I dont feel like living like they do in Africa, South America, and parts of Asia. I like having a house, not a mud hut.





Tom
 
Note, I never said South Africa. I have a friend that is from South Africa. I said Africa. You know, the place where people are starving and it doesn't rain for 11 months out of the year.





Tom
 
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