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From the perspective of a lifelong Floridian who has seen almost every launch and even remembers watching the Challenger explode many years ago, I will say today's launch was most impressive. I just got in from watching it outside and I have a new appreciation for being able to view such a tremendous experience.



God's speed to those astronauts and thank goodness we can return to flight safely. :)
 
I'll never forget the image of the flawless main tank separation with the camera intact, while attached to the tank. Seems like a choreographed act.:) Had to watch it on a video stream in FoxNews.com, no tv available at work.:(
 
OK, I'm prepairing myself for negative feedback but I have a quick question.



Why are we spending billions of dollars exploring space when there are so many here on earth that go hungry each and every day?



I'm honestly looking forward to your comments because if so many are so positive on space, I must be missing something.



Now please, don't go off on me, just give your calm responses.

Thanks
 
Well, we've f'd this planet up enough that we will eventually need to find somewhere else to live, not in the next few generations, but surely in the next few thousand years, supposing that man is still around and thriving.



Space can open up new possibilities for medicine and provide information with various experiments that cannot be performed on earth. Do you know anyone with cancer? Diabetes? or many other genetic disorders/diseases that don't have a cure and suffer every day? I do, and as much as it hurts me, I can't imagine what they're going through, and I would give everything to ease their pain, if only for a day.



You talk about people starving...Suppose we cultivate Mars and grow billions of pounds of food that then has to be cheaply shipped back to Earth for us. The sooner we land on and start exploring other planets, the sooner we can begin cultivating them. In my view, agriculture doomed the human race from the very first seed we planted, but by extending our space to grow food, it may give us another few thousand years.



Finally, I hope to be working for NASA in about 5 years, so I'd really like for my degree to be worth something when I graduate. Granted, I could go work designing cars or airplanes, but ever since I saw my first shuttle launch in FLA when I was 4 years old, I've always known that's what I want to do.
 
I'm with you Greg L- I would like to see the space program terminated (have posted here to that effect) and the money spent exploring something our very lives depend on- the oceans, or reducing the budget deficit my kids will inherit. I think the space program is a "feel good" program that we could afford when times were fat, but it's a different world now and priorities need to shift accordingly. I believe NASA is considering another shot at the Moon- my question is why.
 
Greg L asks:
Why are we spending billions of dollars exploring space when there are so many here on earth that go hungry each and every day?



I'm honestly looking forward to your comments because if so many are so positive on space, I must be missing something.



That question could be asked about ANY and ALL discretionary spending, now couldn't it? We spend billion in foreign aid while people in our country go hungry. We spend billions on pet projects while many have inadequate access to good, affordable healthcare.



Yet, we still spend this money.



If I had a vote, I would rather fund NASA than most any of the laundry list of special interest and pet political projects out there, and SEVERAL of the social programs we have domestically, mostly because I feel those social programs do more long-term harm than good.



But, there is no line-item ballot that I can cast to say where or where not my tax dollars go, so it is kind of moot.



But, I will say this. Space exploration is something we need to continue. Did you know that there is a 1 in 15000 chance that a particular asteriod will come close enough to Earth in 2028 that it will shift its orbit and then strike the Earth on a return pass 8 or 9 years later? That's a 1 in 15,000 chance. The chances of dying in a plane crash is 1 in over 600,000, yet we spend billions each year to improve air safety.



Man's reach should always be just beyond his grasp...it is how we grow.



TJR
 
You said it TJR, man should continue to explore space. We need to spread our horizons and not take the chance that we could end up on a dying planet with no way off.



People starving every day? We could drop billions of dollars more on that, and still have that problem.



Folks who want to cancel spending on the space program are close-minded people who fail to see what technological advances have come to us due to the space program.



To see a list of some of the items we use today, check out:
 
There are valid national defense and global communication reasons for having a space program. The exploration stuff might be considered 'feel good' but is a lesser part of NASA's budget and maintains the public interest (of most). NASA does not come at the expense of other needs, it's a tiny fraction of the total budget. Federal dollars are also spent on all the competing things mentioned.



I have'nt seen a live launch since Apollo 16. At the time, we lived in Seabrook, TX in a neighborhood with a bunch of astronauts. Dad worked at NASA for GE on the rover and some of the other surface gear. So much technology we take for granted now came out of those programs.



Anybody remember Space Food Sticks? Chocolate, Peanut Butter and maybe Vanilla...delicious.
 
Just in case you didn't know, there have been many studies conducted in space on growing plants in circumstances where plants normally wouldn't be able to grow, and how to get fruit bearing plants to produce more fruit.....all in an attempt to solve the world's hunger problems. There have been many studies and research done in space to try to solve earth bourne problems, including asteroid/comet strikes and intercontinential missle defense.
 
In the near future, most/majority of NASAs budget will go to exploration. The end target is Mars, but the moon will be used to validate technology and operations practices prior to the much longer trip to Mars.



As for worthiness, NASA does a lot of good technical work for a "relatively" small amount of money. History shows that Nations that forsake exploration eventually whither. (disclaimer - I am a NASA employee).



Personally, I feel the government does too much in the social arena, in effect subsidizing poverty. The charitiable organizations do a lot better at serving the poor/needy then government ever could. Unfortunately, this is now a business to many and has quite a constituancy.



Back on topic, I hear the next rover will be an ST :lol:
 
And if it were cheaper, EVERYONE would be doing it :) which would could be very bad considering just how many countries could be storing weapons of mass destruction.....
 
$550M may be a bit low for a shuttle.



Large expendable vehicles cost about $400M a launch, if not more. A garden variety Mid range LV costs about $100M. None of it is cheap.



The question goes back to what is the worth of the process, from technical ability growth as a nation to end products (such as weather predictions and communications). That is what our leadership judges.



ron
 
Re asteroid strike: small asteroids hit Earth frequently, but a "supersize" of > 6 mile diameter, hits every 50-100 million years. I'm not setting my alarm....

Re medicine: exponentially more drugs and treatments for disease have come from the rain forests and the oceans than from space exploration.

Re the list of useful products derived from space: no blockbusters there- foam cushioning? Tsunami tracking?- guess that hasn't quite been perfected. Now if space technology had produced Velcro...

Re the small piece of the budget: as someone once said- " A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon youre talking real money"
 
Inventions from space or NASA...



Satellite dish - NASA developed ways to correct errors in the signals coming from the spacecraft. This technology is used to reduce noise (that is, messed up picture or sound) in TV signals coming from satellites.



Medical imaging - NASA developed ways to process signals from spacecraft to produce clearer images. (See more on digital information and how spacecraft send images from space.) This technology also makes possible these photo-like images of our insides.



Bar coding - Originally developed to help NASA keep track of millions of spacecraft parts, bar-coding is now used by almost everybody who sells things to keep track of how much of what is sold and how much of what is left.



Vision screening systems - Uses techniques developed for processing space pictures to examine eyes of children and find out quickly if they have any vision problems. The child doesn't have to say a word!



Ear thermometer - Instead of measuring temperature using a column of mercury (which expands as it heats up), this thermometer has a lens like a camera and detects infrared energy, which we feel as heat. The warmer something is (like your body), the more infrared energy it puts out. This technology was originally developed to detect the birth of stars.



Fire figher suits - Fire fighters wear suits made of fire resistant fabric developed for use in space suits.



Smoke detectors - First used in the Earth orbiting space station called Skylab (launched back in 1973) to help detect any toxic vapors. Now used in most homes and other buildings to warn people of fire.



Sun glasses - From research done on materials to protect the eyes of welders working on spacecraft, protective lenses were developed that block almost all the wavelengths of radiation that might harm the eyes, while letting through all the useful wavelengths that let us see.



Automobile design tools - A computer program developed by NASA to analyze a spacecraft or airplane design and predict how parts will perform is now used to help design automobiles. This kind of software can save car makers a lot of money by letting them see how well a design will work even before they build a prototype.



Cordless tools - Portable, self-contained power tools were originally developed to help Apollo astronauts drill for moon samples. This technology has lead to development of such tools as the cordless vacuum cleaner, power drill, shrub trimmers, and grass shears.



Thermal gloves and boots - These gloves and boots have heating elements that run on rechargeable batteries worn on the inside wrist of the gloves or embedded in the sole of the ski boot. This technology was adapted from a spacesuit design for the Apollo astronauts.



Helmets - These special football helmets use a padding of Temper Foam, a shock absorbing material first developed for use in aircraft seats. These helmets have three times the shock absorbing ability of previous types.



Ski boots - These ski boots use accordion-like folds, similar to the design of space suits, to allow the boot to flex without distortion, yet still give support and control for precision skiing.



Invisible braces - These teeth-straightening braces use brackets that are made of a nearly invisible translucent (almost see-through) ceramic material. This material is a spinoff of NASA's advanced ceramic research to develop new, tough materials for spacecraft and aircraft.



Joystick controllers - Joystick controllers are used for lots of things now, including computer games and vehicles for people with disabilities. These devices evolved from research to develop a controller for the Apollo Lunar Rover, and from other NASA research into how humans actually operate (called "human factors").



Advanced plastics - Spacecraft and other electronics need very special, low-cost materials as the base for printed cir
 
Jeff C-



Very nice list. I was hoping someone had the full list as I only had a partial.



Space is the one place that man cannot successfully conquer at the moment. We can dive to the deepest parts of the oceans. We can drill nearly to the center of the earth. When can build skyscrapers hundreds of stories. We can make cars that hit 400 MPH. We can fly around the world non-stop. We can controll nuclear reactions. Hell, there are people out there that can clone animals. Why? It's curiosity. Man's insatiable quest for knowledge. How much do we now know that we don't know as compared to 120 years ago? Do you realize that the patent office was nearly closed in the 1850's when the director said there was nothing left to invent?



Personally, I do think NASA spends a lot of money. A lot of that is wasted on bureacracy. When a private endeavor can get into space for $30 million, and it takes NASA $550 million plus a $1.2 Billion vehicle, it amazes me. Space exploration is a fantasic adventure for man kind. I firmly believe that it is well worth the price paid. I would love to see money used to prop-up our enemies redirected to sueful endeavors like NASA. Just my opinions.
 

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