Petition to Boycott Video Game "25 To Life"

[Tom Schindler]

OMFG, Q and I agree on something.



My parents were great teachers. They put right and wrong in my head. I knwo not to kill someone and I don't feel the need to play games to kill something. I choose to play games that my mom would enjoy too. I also watch movies that I would not be afraid to watch with my mom sitting next to me.



That doesn't mean, I didn't watch Team America World Police, but my mom would find it funny too.



Signing that petition to try to stop a game is lame.



I don't think a game like that should even been made in the first place, but it isn't my choice to say that others that feel they should play that type of game shouldn't. The same with smoking bans. It should be the decision of the owner of the establishment to decide if it is smoking or no smoking. Then let your patrons decide iof they want to go to your restraunt.



If I don't like the smell, I don't go there.





Tom

 

[Travis Munday]

TJR-

You keep confusing simple concepts.



Just because Ethan's brother thinks the petition is ridiculous, doesn't mean he supports the game.



Just because anyone here says that "anything goes" doesn't mean they support the games that actually exploit the concepts that many consider wrong.



Why do you keep insisting that anyone who thinks this peition isn't the best of ideas is automatically supporting cop-killing, terrorisim, etc; either virtually or physically?



As I said before, let those of us who have the ability to seperate the virtual from the physical do so our own will.

 

[Thomas Rogers]

Okay, Tiger, I don't see that I am confusing "simple concepts".



If someone thinks the boycott or petition is ridiculous, yet they don't support the game, then what DOES that mean? Does it just mean they don't believe in petitions or boycotts in general?



Someone said boycotts/petitions like this "don't work"...is that why some view them as ridiculous?



Hey, I don't for a minute think that my signing of this petition is going to keep the game from being sold, nor do I think that my opinions voiced on this board or elsewhere will keep it from being sold; I am NOT that naive.



But, that doesn't make the petition or the boycott ridiculous. It makes it what it is... a vocal protest.



If people stand silent then more and more of this "stuff" comes out, first geared at mature audiences, then teens, etc...



TJR

 

[Tom Schindler]

If someone thinks the boycott or petition is ridiculous, yet they don't support the game, then what DOES that mean? Does it just mean they don't believe in petitions or boycotts in general?

To me, it means that they feel that it isn't thier right to push thier feelings over someone elses. If you don't like the game don't buy it.

If people stand silent then more and more of this "stuff" comes out.

If nobody suported it, none of it would come out either. You don't make something if it doesn't sell.





Tom

 

[Thomas Rogers]

So I guess boycotting, lobbying and picketing is only for union members, hey Tom?



When someone else does it to support their agenda/beliefs then they are "pushing their rights over someone elses".



You also say: "If nobody suported it, none of it would come out either. You don't make something if it doesn't sell."



There is a huge demand and market for kiddie p0rn as well. Should we accept that without question?



TJR

 

[Tom Schindler]

So I guess boycotting, lobbying and picketing is only for union members, hey Tom?

Nope, corporations do that also to pass legislation to try to eliminate unions, Overtime, pension responsibilities, etc.

When someone else does it to support their agenda/beliefs then they are "pushing their rights over someone elses".

Smoking is legal, drinking is legal, video games are legal. Make them illegal, then you have a case. The problem with trying to petition the government about "Bad Games" is stepping on the freedom of speech. I have the right to play games like that, you feel you need to make it illegal. Who wins? Do I get to keep playing my game or does your right to try to pass a law to make it illegal to play that game? Who's rights are more important?

You also say: "If nobody suported it, none of it would come out either. You don't make something if it doesn't sell."

That is correct...

There is a huge demand and market for kiddie p0rn as well. Should we accept that without question?

I think Kiddie Porn is disgusting and revile, but if the server is based in a country where it is legal, we have nothing to do to stop it. If it is done here, that is breaking the law. Google made a version for China. The government says what their citizens can da. Do we need the same thing here in the USA.



At the same time, just because it is legal, doesn't mean it is right. I think the idea of a game where you can kill cops is horrible to even think of. Actually, any game that involves killing of another person is horrible.



Where do you draw the line? Is cowboys and indians OK, if you kill Indians, but not the cowboys? How about cops and robbers? It is OK as long as you are the cop killing the robber?



They are both disgusting in my book. As long as there is a market, they will produce something for that market.





Tom

 

[Thomas Rogers]

Caymen, the petition isn't a petition to the govt to try to get them to step in on this issue. It's a petition to encourage retailers to not carry the game.



Free speech isn't free. If one is to truly believe in free speech you have to support ALL speech, that means the people that are speaking as well as the ones that are saying STFU!



(No, I am not telling you to STFU, I am saying that if you think that it is the game mfgr's free speech right to put out the game, than it is also an opponents free speech right to boycott it and try to get it removed).



TJR

 

[Tom Schindler]

I agree.



If the game gets popular, which I have no doubt it will, retailers that don't sell the game will have no choice but to sell the game. If people want it, they will buy it. If Best Buy or Wal-Mart doesn't sell it, someone else will. If you don't sell what people want, you wont sell anything.



As I said before, I think the game is revolting and shouldn't be made, but it isn't my choice. I do my part by not buying it.





Tom

 

[The Ape]

Not to burst anyone bubble but this game is crap. No one is buying it and this petition is worthless. I could see your point if this was a game selling millions of copies but it is a complete flop.



Ape Out.

 

[Tom Schindler]

Sounds like the public has made a statement.





Tom

 

[Kevin Palmer]

I agree Tom.



Hmmmm

 

[The Ape]

At least the gaming community has. The only reason why this game has any pub. is because of the media coverage. If anything, that probably sold more copies than the publishers advertising.



Ape Out.

 

[Tom Schindler]

Personally, I fell games like GTA Vice City sold more copies because the media went nuts about it.



Bad publicity is advertisement just as well. Remember Insane Clown Posse? I never heard of thoise guys before thier record label droped them because thier music was so bad. What did I do? I downloaded the music off the net to hear it. I didn't like it, so I deleted it. How many people actually purchased the album? Heck, until the RIAA complained about Napster, not a significant ammount of people knew you could download music off the net. Sure, the downloads were going crazy, but the RIAA boosted illegal file sharing to new levels because of the stink they produced.





Tom