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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4742453.stm

Koreans are the first to be succesful with cloning a dog.



And they are researching this for human purposes? I have mixed feelings about this, No one is made to live forever, but if a human can find out how to clone and use it for health reasons, maybe God has set it that way. So maybe it is for the best, maybe.

What are your responses to cloning?
 
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Maybe they're working on a renewable food supply that isn't wheat. I'd have no problems whatsoever eating cloned cows or pigs.
 
I'm sure it costs more to make a dog, or a cow, or anything by cloning than the old fashioned way. As a foodsource, cloning will be a bust. I'm sure the eventual goal is the cloning of humans.



As for whether or not cloning humans is ok, I have to question what it is for? Are they going to try to clone a person so they can get new "parts" as needed to maintain the original person's life? So what is this new cloned person supposed to be doing while he/she grows up for 20 years or so to where the "parts" would be useful? What if the clone turns out to be the better person, and someone decides to keep the clone and dispose of you? There are so many ramifications of this that no one has looked at yet.
 
I don't think everyone should just assume that the end goal of this is to clone humans. Granted, that is a possibility--but there are others. Research, especially in new fields such as this, can lead in many possible directions, depending on where any particular successes and failures occur. Often, new discoveries (or new applications of old discoveries) will lead researchers to projects and developments that weren't even considered at the start. (Example--the discovery of penecillin) Also, often the reserach doesn't even have an end objective--other than the increase of human knowledge. Without this type of research, most of the modern medical, technological, and other conveniences we enjoy today simply wouldn't exist.



So what possible uses could cloning have outside of human cloning? One obvious possibility is medical research animals. When conducting experiments, it's necessary to control as many of the non-tested variables as possible, so the test results can be directly attributed to the variables being tested. If the tests involve multiple animal subjects, their genetic differences have traditionally been one non-tested variable that has been impossible to control. But with cloned subjects, that variability goes away.



I'm sure that there are many, many other possible uses currently being researched, and even more that have yet to be even conceived. Some of these may cross moral boundaries for some people, or even for nearly all people--and I'm fine with carefully limiting those for those reasons. But we shouldn't outlaw all cloning--human or other--just to avoid these few boundaries. There's too many potential medical advancements to be made to benefit us all, simply by continuing the research.
 
Anyone who doesn't think the ultimate goal of this "project" is to clone humans is a moron or isn't living in reality.



history has proven that if an opoprtunity to advance scientifically or to "push the envelope" of technology exists, humans will pursue it, even if it proves to be destructive in the long-run. Many could argue the best example of this would be the development and use of nuclear weapons.....



Aside from the POTENTIAL benefit of cloning spare parts for amputees, or new hearts for sick kids, no good can come from this technology. I mean, what is the end-state? Are we all going to live for 200 years or forever? That's just what we need on earth: more over-population and people living beyond their usefulness. Not to mention that you could never be sure you are the only "you" in the world. how could you safe-guard yourself from duplication? Anything from a used bandage to a loose hair on your sweater could be stolen and used to create a new you. The ultimate form of identity theft.



And who the hell wants to eat cloned chicken, beef or dog anyways.......? I agree with Bill V that this research shouldn't be out-lawed, because it should have some positive impact on our lives, but what measures can we take to ensure this sort of activity doesn't get exploited by the wrong people or governments? Who is going to over-see this technology and safe-guard you and me from it?
 
Whats wrong with eating cloned animals? It's not like they would taste funny or something...



As to the problem around waiting 20 years for parts from cloned people to be useful, that's simply not the case. Anyone remember stem cells? Cloning would allow us to clone JUST stem cells- to get around those sometimes pesky pro-life and extreme religous zealots -which when placed in and around defective cells, will transform into healty cells of the type of the host organ. We could all but eliminate cancer, many mental ailments, muscular problems, the list goes on and on and on.



Anyone who simply sees things as black and white, as some have shown here, scare me, perhaps they need to open thier eyes and see reality.
 
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Like the abortion issue, I don' think this one will ever be a black or white case. There are always going to be exceptions to any view-point.



In the rest of the animal kingdom, the defective, sick, and weak members of any species die on their own accord, are abandoned by their kind, or are eaten at birth. This is generally considered a good thing because it allows the strong, dominant, and healthiest of the species to propogate and continue the existence of the species and frees the herd/pack/tribe from having to care for the burden of a weak member. Humans deviate from this behavior because we have "rational thought" and feelings which prompt us to save every human life possible, regardless of it's defects.



I, personally, don't see the cloning issue from a religious or moral standpoint. Rather, I see it as just another way that man-kind continues to deviate from a natural way of life and continue his existence through artifical means. The problems of disease and famine (which some of us seem to think cloning will resolve) are directly linked and caused by over-population of the human race. Is it any surprise that most of the horrible, deadly, and un-curable diseases which have come to be lately(Aids, Ebola, Asian bird flu, etc.), come from places like Africa and Asia where the populations have grown so large that their food sources have become depleted and their infrastructure has collapsed? I'd rather see greater emphasis placed on population control rather than on methods to deal with the results of unchecked population growth.



I know my view point is probably one of a kind and may not be in agreement with most people but, I just want assurance that I will be the only me and that tyrants like Kim Jong Il and Fidel Castro don't have access to this sort of technology, so they can continue their unwanted existence on this planet. I also shudder to think of how the insurance companies will manipulate this sort of advance.
 

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