Im gonna have to make it my job to show everyone that train trac is trippin!
Hey Bud you are no longer the top fabricator here...,.its train trac or maybe brain lack!
HAHAHA
As always, instead of engaging in a rational discussion, and backing up your statements with credible references and facts, you resort to childish name calling, insults, and innuendo. Or, you try to ride on the coat tails of another person's response like
prchrman by interpreting his response to fit you. You obviously either ignored his use of the ":grin:" smiley to indicate sarcasm, and also his screen name.
Thus, you have zero credibility in these types of discussions and come across as nothing more than a laughing stock to everyone else involved. So no response to your dribble is required, but I'm gonna do so anyway, just for the fun of it.
Hey Trac The first ammendment of the CONSTITUTION, most certainly assures that church and state are seperate. You are wrong there bra.
I thought I made it easy for you by citing the full text of the First Amendment in my earlier post. Go back and read it again and tell me where the words "separation of church and state" appear... The phrase comes from a <A HREF="http://www.usconstitution.net/jeffwall.html">letter</A> letter written in 1802 by then-President Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association to answer a letter from them written in October 1801.
I have to ask you what is U.S. code?
Wow. Do you
really have to ask? <A HREF="http://www.gpoaccess.gov/uscode/">United States Code</A> = U.S. law.
Is that something you made up like state religions?? Hilarious!! Why dont you just gimme a state and its "offical" religion. Better yet...make a list and post it here. The other members surely would LOVE to read that one!
Have you ever read/studied the Constitution, the Federalist Papers, the writings of the likes of Jefferson, Madison, Adams, Mason, and other Founding Fathers, let alone simple U.S. history? If not, you really should do so. I have, and still do in order to continue my education and better understand the principles upon which this great country was founded.
First, I never said that there were any "official/state" religions now, in the present day (2010). The Constitution was written to define and limit the powers of the
Federal gov't, and had no bearing on the States. As I said earlier, at the time of the Constitution and Bill of Rights' ratification, many of the states still had their own "official/state" religions. And they were free to do so, as guaranteed by the 10th Amendment. The First Amendment forbids Congress from either designating an official church for the United States, or interfering with State and local official churches, which were common when the First Amendment was enacted. It did
not prevent state governments from establishing official churches. In fact, Connecticut continued to do so until it replaced its colonial Charter with the Connecticut Constitution of 1818; and Massachusetts retained an establishment of religion in general until 1833. In the late 18th and early 19th centuries, many States even had a "religious" tax, requiring citizens to pay a tax than went to churches. Furthermore, God is mentioned many times in most, if not all of the State constitutions. In fact, many States' constitutions prevent citizens from holding office if they deny the existence of "God" or a "Supreme Being". See <A HREF="http://www.usconstitution.net/states_god.html">God in the State Constitutions
</A>.
The founding fathers which train trac talks about werent even Christians
I never said that they were. However, I'll give you a little credit there: You're 5% right. But 95% wrong. Of the 54 Framers of the Constitution, only three were not Christians, but rather Deists. The remainder consisted of 49 Protestants of varying denominations, and two Roman Catholics. So 51 of the 54 Framers of the Constitution of the United States of America
were indeed Christians. Demographic data on the Framers can be found <A HREF="http://www.usconstitution.net/constframedata.html#rkey">here</A>. Demographic data on the signers of the Declaration of Independence can be found <A HREF="http://www.usconstitution.net/declarsigndata.html">here</A>.
Here endeth the lesson.
