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Gavin Allan

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Dear Senator First:



There is a huge amount of propaganda and myths circulating about illegal aliens, particularly illegal Mexican, Salvadorian, Guatemalan and Honduran aliens.



#1. Illegal aliens generally do NOT want U.S. citizenship. Americans are very vain thinking that everybody in the world wants to be a U.S. citizen. Mexicans, and other nationalities want to remain citizens of their home countries while obtaining the benefits offered by the United States such as employment, medical care, in-state tuition, government subsidized housing and free education for their offspring. Their main attraction is employment and their loyalty usually remains at home. They want benefits earned and subsidized by middle class Americans. What illegal aliens want are benefits of American residence without paying the price.



#2. There are no jobs that Americans won't do. Illegal aliens are doing jobs that Americans can't take and still support their families. Illegal aliens take low wage jobs, live dozens in a single residence home, share expenses and send money to their home country. There are no jobs that Americans won't do for a decent wage.



#3. Every person who illegally entered this nation left a home. They are NOT homeless and they are NOT Americans. Some left jobs in their home countries. They come to send money to their real home as evidenced by the more than 20 billion dollars sent out of the country each year by illegal aliens. These illegal aliens knowingly and willfully entered this nation in violation of the law and therefore assumed the risk of detection and deportation. Those who brought their alien children assumed the responsibility and risk on behalf of their children.



#4. Illegal aliens are NOT critical to the economy. Illegal aliens constitute less than 5% of the workforce. However, they reduce wages and benefits for lawful U.S. residents.



#5. This is NOT an immigrant nation. There are 280 million native born Americans. While it is true that this nation was settled and founded by immigrants (legal immigrants), it is also true that there is not a nation on this planet that was not settled by immigrants at one time or another.



#6. The United States is welcoming to legal immigrants. Illegal aliens are not immigrants by definition. The U.S. accepts more lawful immigrants every year than the rest of the world combined.



#7. There is no such thing as the "Hispanic vote". Hispanics are white, brown, black and every shade in between. Hispanics are Republicans, Democrats, Anarchists, Communists, Marxists and Independents. The so-called "Hispanic vote" is a myth. Pandering to illegal aliens to get the Hispanic vote is a dead end.



#8. Mexico is NOT a friend of the United States. Since 1848 Mexicans have resented the United States. During World War I Mexico allowed German Spies to operate freely in Mexico to spy on the U.S. During World War II Mexico allowed the Axis powers to spy on the U.S. from Mexico. During the Cold War Mexico allowed spies hostile to the U.S. to operate freely. The attack on the Twin Towers in 2001 was cheered and applauded all across Mexico. Today Mexican school children are taught that the U.S. stole California, Arizona, new Mexico and Texas. If you don't believe it, check out some Mexican textbooks written for their schoolchildren.



#9. Although some illegal aliens enter this country for a better life, there are 6 billion people on this planet. At least 1 billion of those live on less than one dollar a day. If wanting a better life is a valid excuse to break the law and sneak into America, then let's allow those one billion to come to America and we'll turn the USA into a Third World nation overnight. Besides, there are 280 million native born Americans who want a better life. I'll bet Bill Gates and Donald Trump want a better life. When will the USA lifeboat be full? Since when is wanting a better life a go
 
Yawn...yet another thing that both parties are making a big stink over that doesn't really seem to affect me. Maybe if I lived in a border state, heh? I am not trying to sound cavalier about this, I just don't think this problem is as big as the hype.



No one has shown me how healthcare costs will go down if we solve this problem, or how the average wage or employment numbers will go up.



TJR
 
Just so everyone knows, it is true.



I agree with what that letter says. Look at the one key word.



<font size +5><B><font color=red>ILLEGAL</font></B></font>





Tom
 
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Yawn...yet another thing that both parties are making a big stink over that doesn't really seem to affect me.



When, not if but when, that day comes and it affects you, are you ready to take the brunt of the problems on your shoulders? My house has never been broken into, yet I still lock my doors and windows. I have never lived through a tornado, but where there is a tornado warning, I go in the basement to protect myself.



Just because something doesn't affect me does not mean there is not a problem...or a possible problem to someone else.



Have you been to Florida? Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, California. Have you seen the slums the ILLEGAL Immagrants live it. Have you seen the crime rates in those comunities? I don't live in a small town. I don't know how big of a town you live in, but the problem is getting worse and is not going to get any better unless something is done.





Tom
 
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I thought this was a board for sport tracs



I thought this was an off-topic post? Was I wrong? Nope. Double checked...yup <B>Off-Topic!</B> That means that it can be about anything anyone wants as long as it is within the rules of the website owner.





Tom
 
Ah, you yourself Tom have asked why or government doesn't deal with "bigger" issues.



So, I ask, is this the biggest issue facing this country right now? Or even #2? Because given the hype one would have to believe that it is.



Frankly, I don't see it as that big a problem.



But then, maybe that is because it doesn't really affect me.



TJR
 
Whatever your stand is, I just wonder, WTF is the government doing?



And don't tell me about no jobs Americans won't do, that is BS, I know FIRST HAND Americans that won't pick lettuce even at double the minimun wage, they'd rather file for unemployment (their own words)....



 
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Protect yourself with a Tin Foil Hat !



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Just to put my 2 cents in. Tom, it affected us by killing the school system" No money left". We then moved out of state with less Hispanic population. I worked with the hispanics they all tell me they send money back home.:angry:



Something needs to be done. They are rich peoples slaves.



Fer you are wrong. Lots of people would work for the right pay. Just cut the bennies out.
 
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On the plus side, Congress released it's new border control plan today:

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I would pick up dog poo with my bare hands for the right money. Any job can be worked by anybody. Pay minimum wages and get minimum work. Pay someone under the table minimum wage and they really make $9.00/hr because of not paying tax's. Yet, if you are legally here, you get less then minimum wage because of a thing called tax's.



There is a job for everybody and everybody has a job. Just pay what the market will bear and you have employees.





Tom
 
If the government REALLY wanted to crack down on this it would need only target the small businesses that hire illegals. A good forensic accountant (or an IRS computer program) could easily find 10s of thousands of small businesses that appear to have too few employees on the books given their gross sales. Then, send out some "IRS" spies to catch them in the act, and slap a HUGE fine on the offenders such that it would put them out of business and VIOLIA...in probably less than 6 months you would hear a huge sucking sound as the illegals flee back to Mexico because no one here dares employ them.



Seems easy, right? No minutemen, no border security, just simple accountants and IRS spies, and a few highly publicized crack-down examples.



It's so easy I have to ask: Why do you think the government doesn't do this?



Serious question: Why?



TJR
 
It's so easy I have to ask: Why do you think the government doesn't do this?



Good question. Why doesn't the government do alot of things. Maybe the big business hire illegals too and pay to keep from getting caught.



Read a book called "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by John Perkins. Very interesting read. There is so much stuff going on, it honestly scares me. It really opened my eyes to a new way of thinkihng.





Tom
 
It's so easy I have to ask: Why do you think the government doesn't do this?



TJR.......As the owner of a "small business" we are not required to ask anymore than "are you legal?" and "show me your card".



We do exactly what we are supposed to do. It is not up to us to police the situation.



I DO agree that the way to stop it is to hold the business responsible, but do you have any ideas how to stay ahead of the forgers, counterfeiters, and thieves that provide such documentation? If we, as owners, had to have proof, we would be sued by everyone we didn't hire.



Many send their money back home, but they all pay taxes, cause we have to collect it.



SS



"In order to control illegal immigration in the United States, the president installed cardboard cutouts of Jack Bauer along the US/Mexico border."

 
I DO agree that the way to stop it is to hold the business responsible, but do you have any ideas how to stay ahead of the forgers, counterfeiters, and thieves that provide such documentation?



That is easy. Enact the "Fair Tax". It is consumption tax and if you are legal, you get a probate tax check every month. Aren't legal, you will end up paying more tax's then I do...and it is without any benefits.





Tom
 
Buzzworth, you are correct, you don't have to ask if an employee you hire is legal, but you are supposed to pay appropriate state and federal payroll taxes, SSI/Medicare and workman's comp. And that's awfully hard to do if the person isn't legal.



TJR
 
tom.........I agree with a flat tax, but that isn't the point I am discussing. I am saying that as a small business we HAVE to accept anyone's documentation saying they are legal. If they say "yes, here it is", then that is all we have to do by law.



TJR.......again, if they say they are legal, show us the papers, then we DO collect all state and fed taxes, just like all employees. Whether they can file any tax returns in april is none of my business. Can they get a tx refund, if one is due? Doubt it. But most will claim many dependents and have little taken out.



SS
 
I think we should put all the companys that hired them in jail. .And then again the goverments allowed companys to OUT SOURCE our jobs over there. So anyway you look at it ,we'll soon be a third- world USA:angry:
 
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