Wes Davis
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I recommend one of the ultralight revolvers in .38 and hammerless. Will never fail, very light, easy to operate.
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Jacob Dryer
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Caymen said
But then you go on to recommend a revolver with no safety. The LCP is the same thing, double action only. If you feel comfortable carrying a revolver with one in the hole, it's the same as carrying the LCP with one in the hole.
But then you go on to recommend a revolver with no safety. The LCP is the same thing, double action only. If you feel comfortable carrying a revolver with one in the hole, it's the same as carrying the LCP with one in the hole.
opinions are like buttholes-----you know the rest.
i know some here have a poor opinion of kel-tec
but my brother has been carrying concealed since 93, he has
carried a vast array of weapons over the years and
he recommended the P11 to me as a cww due to my stature,
it is easily concealed and weighs just 20oz loaded.
regardless of what people say it is very reliable and acurate
out to 10 yards which is far beyond the range of the average
altercation, it has fed everything that i put through it without
so much as a hiccup and the only drawback is the extremely
LONG trigger pull, its there for a reason i know but after 100rnds
at the range it can get annoying. i have friends that are LEOs
that have fired it and were impressed at the size and accuracy,
2 of them have purchased them for off duty carry so far.
now that you have my opinion on a weapon
i agree with Tom T 100%, its got to be what SHE feels comfortable with.
i would recommend going to a range that rents firearms and let
her try out the different types and sizes to see what she is comfortable with.
i know some here have a poor opinion of kel-tec
but my brother has been carrying concealed since 93, he has
carried a vast array of weapons over the years and
he recommended the P11 to me as a cww due to my stature,
it is easily concealed and weighs just 20oz loaded.
regardless of what people say it is very reliable and acurate
out to 10 yards which is far beyond the range of the average
altercation, it has fed everything that i put through it without
so much as a hiccup and the only drawback is the extremely
LONG trigger pull, its there for a reason i know but after 100rnds
at the range it can get annoying. i have friends that are LEOs
that have fired it and were impressed at the size and accuracy,
2 of them have purchased them for off duty carry so far.
now that you have my opinion on a weapon
i agree with Tom T 100%, its got to be what SHE feels comfortable with.
i would recommend going to a range that rents firearms and let
her try out the different types and sizes to see what she is comfortable with.
Going back to the original question for the Lady. I recommend the SW 9mm tactical. It is very light to carry only weighs about 23oz. I myself CC this weapon and you don't even feel it's there. It holds 8 rounds and very accurate at 7-10 yards. Here's a pic. Good luck Coastiejoe[Broken External Image]:
TomT said the same thing I said. The gun is not for a man, it's for a woman, So it's not the Stopping power of the gun, it's what fits in her hand ahd what she feels comfortable with. Experts will agree that most women do better with a small caliber automatic. The report and kick back are not enough to startle the woman and and 10-12 rounds at her finger tips will more than make up for any inaccuracy in her shooting
Yes there is a slightly longer learning curve with an automatic over a revolver, but that's all part of the learning process and needs to be repeated preiodically to insure she still knows how to do it. I trained my wife to load and unload her 22 automatic and her 9mm Glock by simply having her do it in front of me several times a week and keep repeating it until she knew how to do it.
One in the chamber, a full clip and the safety on, and she has a lot of fire power at her finger tips/
...Rich
Yes there is a slightly longer learning curve with an automatic over a revolver, but that's all part of the learning process and needs to be repeated preiodically to insure she still knows how to do it. I trained my wife to load and unload her 22 automatic and her 9mm Glock by simply having her do it in front of me several times a week and keep repeating it until she knew how to do it.
One in the chamber, a full clip and the safety on, and she has a lot of fire power at her finger tips/
...Rich
Ed Miles
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Some good info given, but the bottom line is what does she feel comfortable with. I agree that the best thing to do is take her to a range where she can rent and/or try shooting several types of handgun (revos and autos). Start out small (22 lr) and move up so as not to create recoil flinch. Then when she finds something comfortable, buy it! The worse thing anyone can do is to select what they like for someone else.
p.s. In some states if you wound your attacker he will have a lawyer in no time and you will be sued for damages and pain & suffering.
p.s. In some states if you wound your attacker he will have a lawyer in no time and you will be sued for damages and pain & suffering.
jason vocaty
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artstang is that a model 659 if not what model is it?
Jeffrey Travis
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not if........
Dead men don't call lawyers. (but damn it if their family wouldn't try to)
I agree with Bill Barber.
I am not one to carry a gun but if I did I would live by the motto, if I am going to shoot, shoot to kill. If you have reason to pull it and squeeze then you should have reason to do the job the right way since the end goal is your protection.
Dead men don't shoot back.
JT#14
p.s. I vote for the ladies comfort. Borrow or rent guns, go to the range and feel 'em out.
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Bill Barber
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The bottom line is:If you or yours is accosted with potentially deadly force, you or yours need to reciprocate with like and kind deadly force, autos can be problamatic.
.380s are useless when trying to stop a 250 lb man because your wife may get only one shot off before he kills her.
as i said before, my wife has a .44 mag, she can use it, all she needs is one well placed round, even thru a closed car window, end of problem, done deal
.380s are useless when trying to stop a 250 lb man because your wife may get only one shot off before he kills her.
as i said before, my wife has a .44 mag, she can use it, all she needs is one well placed round, even thru a closed car window, end of problem, done deal
Jacob Dryer
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If it's a well placed round then she doesn't need a .44
When I first moved here to Tx, I walked into the police dept and asked what the laws were regarding someone breaking into my house.
The officer asked me if I owned a registered gun and a non registered one. I said yes....he then told me to shoot the intruder with the registered one and just throw down the unregistered one after wiping off the finger prints and to make sure I kill him because if he lived, he'd prob sue and win in court. This of course if he is unarmed.
With the new laws, we are allowed to shoot them even if they are outside, but within the property or while they are trying to escape but still within the property. This doesn't mean that if someone just steps into your yard you can shoot them, you still have to have just cause for why you shot someone on your property.
So, I agree, if your going to pull a gun and do shoot someone, make damn sure you do kill them.
The officer asked me if I owned a registered gun and a non registered one. I said yes....he then told me to shoot the intruder with the registered one and just throw down the unregistered one after wiping off the finger prints and to make sure I kill him because if he lived, he'd prob sue and win in court. This of course if he is unarmed.
With the new laws, we are allowed to shoot them even if they are outside, but within the property or while they are trying to escape but still within the property. This doesn't mean that if someone just steps into your yard you can shoot them, you still have to have just cause for why you shot someone on your property.
So, I agree, if your going to pull a gun and do shoot someone, make damn sure you do kill them.
Ryan Schaecher
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A woman who wounds a would-be attacker will get more sympathy in a lawsuit than a man.
A 250lb man being injured by a .380 carried by a 110lb woman is not the same as a 250lb man being wounded by another 250lb man.
Not entirely true. With the 5.56 NATO round (almost the same thing as the .223), the round and the tactics were designed to be that if you wounded an enemy soldier, it would take (3) out of action (the wounded, and two to carry him off). Remember, this was developed during the Cold War during the 50's and 60's when the threat was the Russians.
Now, you have Achmed who wants his 70 virgins, along with Rasheed and John (gotta be politically correct, right?) who want their vigins as well and don't give a rats hiney about Achmed.
Yes, you can carry a lot more 5.56 than 7.62 (the 7.62 NATO round is a short .30-06) but it takes on average 2-3 more shots to put an attacker down according to the stats that I have been reading. The rate of fire is statistically insignificant between the M16/M4 and the FAL or G3 (or similar .308 battle rifle) as very rarely do any of these rifles get used on full-auto for a full magazine, they are typically on 3-round or 5-round bursts.
In the case of police, yes, increased firepower, but also with advances in ammunition, commonality with different organizations, etc. It's also not always about projectile weight. A large, slow projectile and a small, fasty projectile can have the same impact. Force = Mass x Velocity. With frangible or self-protection ammo, size can be mitigated.
There's little than can compare to a .45ACP, but it's a heavy round and a heavier firearm. Few Men can carry one effectively in a CCW or Police situation, and far fewer woman can. Anyone who carries needs to be comfortable with the firearm so if that means a 250lb man carries a .22LR, so be it.
A 250lb man being injured by a .380 carried by a 110lb woman is not the same as a 250lb man being wounded by another 250lb man.
Not entirely true. With the 5.56 NATO round (almost the same thing as the .223), the round and the tactics were designed to be that if you wounded an enemy soldier, it would take (3) out of action (the wounded, and two to carry him off). Remember, this was developed during the Cold War during the 50's and 60's when the threat was the Russians.
Now, you have Achmed who wants his 70 virgins, along with Rasheed and John (gotta be politically correct, right?) who want their vigins as well and don't give a rats hiney about Achmed.
Yes, you can carry a lot more 5.56 than 7.62 (the 7.62 NATO round is a short .30-06) but it takes on average 2-3 more shots to put an attacker down according to the stats that I have been reading. The rate of fire is statistically insignificant between the M16/M4 and the FAL or G3 (or similar .308 battle rifle) as very rarely do any of these rifles get used on full-auto for a full magazine, they are typically on 3-round or 5-round bursts.
In the case of police, yes, increased firepower, but also with advances in ammunition, commonality with different organizations, etc. It's also not always about projectile weight. A large, slow projectile and a small, fasty projectile can have the same impact. Force = Mass x Velocity. With frangible or self-protection ammo, size can be mitigated.
There's little than can compare to a .45ACP, but it's a heavy round and a heavier firearm. Few Men can carry one effectively in a CCW or Police situation, and far fewer woman can. Anyone who carries needs to be comfortable with the firearm so if that means a 250lb man carries a .22LR, so be it.
Ryan Schaecher
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Double Tap.... sorry.
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Gavin Allan
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Good conversation here for us handgun idiots.
What are some good weapons for a man to carry? I assume a larger caliber, but revolver for us who are inexperienced?
I like the laser sights in the grip dea, especially for nighttime use.
What are some good weapons for a man to carry? I assume a larger caliber, but revolver for us who are inexperienced?
I like the laser sights in the grip dea, especially for nighttime use.
Kevin Palmer
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Very good info, it is appreciated.
I have compiled a set of questions and sent them to her and her family.
When I get them back,,, I will let you know and find tune your suggestions again.
Thanks again...
I have compiled a set of questions and sent them to her and her family.
When I get them back,,, I will let you know and find tune your suggestions again.
Thanks again...
Jacob Dryer
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Gavin:
Take everything you read on guns with a grain of salt. Many people will say the only pistol worth carrying is a .45, it's my opinion that for a carry weapon it should be the largest caliber you feel comfortable carrying in a weapon that you are comfortable with.
Selection of the pistol totally depends on your build, both body and hands.
The best starting point is to go to a range that rents pistols and fire as many as you can. Different calibers, different manufactures, different barrel lengths, revolvers, semi's...
You will get an idea of what feels right.
I purchased a springfield xd9 and it's a great gun, I love to shoot it, but I can't conceal it in summer clothes so I'm looking for something smaller. I'm pretty sure it's going to be the ruger LCP, but they seem to be hard to come by right now, and I'm going to wait until after the holidays anyways..
Take everything you read on guns with a grain of salt. Many people will say the only pistol worth carrying is a .45, it's my opinion that for a carry weapon it should be the largest caliber you feel comfortable carrying in a weapon that you are comfortable with.
Selection of the pistol totally depends on your build, both body and hands.
The best starting point is to go to a range that rents pistols and fire as many as you can. Different calibers, different manufactures, different barrel lengths, revolvers, semi's...
You will get an idea of what feels right.
I purchased a springfield xd9 and it's a great gun, I love to shoot it, but I can't conceal it in summer clothes so I'm looking for something smaller. I'm pretty sure it's going to be the ruger LCP, but they seem to be hard to come by right now, and I'm going to wait until after the holidays anyways..
JD
just a heads up they have a recall on the LCP at this time.
problem with the hammer mechanism allowing it to discharge when dropped.
i have an xD-45 compact and there is no way i am concealing that in the summer
let alone in the winter with my size this is the reason i picked up the P11.
if you havent shot one i recommend trying one out before buying the LCP.
just a heads up they have a recall on the LCP at this time.
problem with the hammer mechanism allowing it to discharge when dropped.
i have an xD-45 compact and there is no way i am concealing that in the summer
let alone in the winter with my size this is the reason i picked up the P11.
if you havent shot one i recommend trying one out before buying the LCP.
Jacob Dryer
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Yes I read about the recall, but it's only on the older original release versions, all of the newer ones have it corrected.
Rich Stern
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Gavin, I'll toss in my two cents:
Most important:
1) Having a gun when you need it.
2) Being proficient with it.
3) Everything else pales in comparison.
Revolvers are very simple to operate, require far less handling practice to be proficient. I consider the 38 Special revolver to be a near perfect gun for the average citizen who wants to protect themselves at home and, if they choose to legally carry it, away from home. THey come in lots of sizes for lots of different size people.
Regarding Bill Barber's 44 mag comments: Bill lives in Kommiefornia, where you have to be specially annointed to have the privilege of defending your life with a handgun outside your home. Concealed carry there is a rarity. It's easy to keep a 44 magnum in your center console. Carrying it in your pants or in a purse...not so much. There are other considerations besides caliber.
Think about shooting incidents you see or read about from the news where an assailant is wounded. How many assailants continue their assault or criminal misdeed once they've been shot? Think of all the times you've seen a convenience store security tape where the clerk pulls a gun and starts to fight back. The bad guy hightails it. In almost every case I have read where an assailant was shot, regardless of what they were shot with, they either a) die right there, b) run away and collapse a short distance from the scene, or c) run away, and get arrested at a hospital. I'm not saying it never happens that a wounded assailant presses home an attack. If it does happen, it tends to be a hardened criminal who is cornered. But it's pretty rare.
If you choose to carry a gun, whatever caliber and type, learn it. Practice. Go the next mile in upgrading your awareness of your surroundings when in public. Make sure you know the gun laws for your state.
There was a home invasion very late last night about a mile from our house. Two bad guys, both armed with handguns. One was caught quickly, the second managed to get away and hid in a house in another neighborhood across the street, about 1000 feet from the elementary school. The police finally went in and got him late this afternoon. My wife walks the dogs down that street four or five times a week.
Most important:
1) Having a gun when you need it.
2) Being proficient with it.
3) Everything else pales in comparison.
Revolvers are very simple to operate, require far less handling practice to be proficient. I consider the 38 Special revolver to be a near perfect gun for the average citizen who wants to protect themselves at home and, if they choose to legally carry it, away from home. THey come in lots of sizes for lots of different size people.
Regarding Bill Barber's 44 mag comments: Bill lives in Kommiefornia, where you have to be specially annointed to have the privilege of defending your life with a handgun outside your home. Concealed carry there is a rarity. It's easy to keep a 44 magnum in your center console. Carrying it in your pants or in a purse...not so much. There are other considerations besides caliber.
Think about shooting incidents you see or read about from the news where an assailant is wounded. How many assailants continue their assault or criminal misdeed once they've been shot? Think of all the times you've seen a convenience store security tape where the clerk pulls a gun and starts to fight back. The bad guy hightails it. In almost every case I have read where an assailant was shot, regardless of what they were shot with, they either a) die right there, b) run away and collapse a short distance from the scene, or c) run away, and get arrested at a hospital. I'm not saying it never happens that a wounded assailant presses home an attack. If it does happen, it tends to be a hardened criminal who is cornered. But it's pretty rare.
If you choose to carry a gun, whatever caliber and type, learn it. Practice. Go the next mile in upgrading your awareness of your surroundings when in public. Make sure you know the gun laws for your state.
There was a home invasion very late last night about a mile from our house. Two bad guys, both armed with handguns. One was caught quickly, the second managed to get away and hid in a house in another neighborhood across the street, about 1000 feet from the elementary school. The police finally went in and got him late this afternoon. My wife walks the dogs down that street four or five times a week.
buzz worth
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errrrrr, can't get the vid to post.
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