This will be wonderfull, the war tax

[Mark K 2]

Sit back, relax, and have a beer.

 

[Les]

Sit back, relax, and have a beer.

Can't afford the beer...

 

[Gavin Allan]

This one will be fixed quickly. The Demos have control of the white house and both houses of the legislature. There is no reason they won't have this all fixed in a few months.

 

[Bill Barber]

Thx Gavin, I feel much better now:lol:

 

[Tom Schindler]

We already have a "war tax". It is called income tax. It was started during the war to help pay for it...it just never went away.





Tom

 

[Thomas Rogers]

Bill Barber,



Seriously, what the hell as California done for us, with the exception of Hollywood and Silicon Valley, both of which are being tested by the global marketplace and "independents" the past couple of decades.



Silicon Valley could die tomorrow (some say its been on life support for more than a decade) and its business would get picked up in several pockets throughout the country (Boston, etc), and the world. Hollywood would be missed.



California is bankrupt, yet the world goes on.



Now, if NYC were to go under, that's a different story.



Waiting for you to intelligently and unemotionally educate me in where I am mistaken.



P.S. PA isn't even close to one of the poorest states, regardless the indicator used (for example it ranks in the upper 1/2 of all states if considering average income).



TJR

 

[Bill Barber]

TJR, within 10 miles of where i Live, Kali has, NASA, Sun Micro, Intel, Hewlett packard, Google, Stanford univ., the largest shipping ports in the world that recieves 90 % of the imports from the pacific rim.

Kali also produces most of the Produce supplied to the entire U.S

So the next time you buy a head of lettuce, perhaps some almonds, an avocado, or your computer, or big screen T.V. All that came from or thru Kali.

Is also projected that in 20 yrs, kali will have the population density of manhatten, and become the financial center of the entire world.

that being said, can you buy an avocado grown in P.A, what if anything is produced in P.A? that benifits the nation.

 

[Thomas Rogers]

Bill,



I can live without avacados. PA is actually a very rich agri state. Lots of soy beans. Lots of local produce in my area.



I never meant for this to be a pissing contest between PA and CA. I've got nothing to prove. I'm not the one that said the world can't live without my state.



Sorry, you still haven't convinced me that if the big one hit and everything west of the San Andreas fell into the ocean that the world wouldnlt go right on spinning.





TJR

 

[Kevin Lang]

TJR, within 10 miles of where i Live, Kali has, NASA, Sun Micro, Intel, Hewlett packard, Google, Stanford univ., the largest shipping ports in the world that recieves 90 % of the imports from the pacific rim.

NASA exists everywhere. There's a NASA branch right near me just north of DC. The country can survive without a branch, especially if it is one of lesser fame like CAs....



Intel gets many of its chips from its outsourced plant in Costa Rica. Loosing it's CA office won't kill it. Maybe it would give AMD a chance to actually get back in the game though.



As for the pacific imports, what ever would we do without cheap low-quality Chinese goods? I know wal-mart will hurt. I'd say that we could use use Mexicans to make our cheap goods, but most of them are already here...particularly in CA.



Which leads me to this:

Is also projected that in 20 yrs, kali will have the population density of manhatten

Yes, it will be packed with illegals and other undesirables. Even over here on the East Coast we've heard of the Exodus of those who can migrate out of CA doing so because it is a sinking ship...which leaves you in the future with largely just the dregs of society....many of which will be illegal. Have fun. Practique su Espanol para vivir en eso futuro.

So the next time you buy a head of lettuce, perhaps some almonds, an avocado,

Fruit is nice and all, but meat and grain are FAR superior, and they come from America's Breadbasket, which CA isn't part of.



Also, the settled East Coast survived for centuries without CA, I'm sure we can keep on without it



Where did you get the following?:

your state [PA] is one of the poorest in the nation.

When in fact:

Pennsylvania's 2008 total gross state product (GSP) of $553.3 billion, ranks the state 6th in the nation. If Pennsylvania were an independent country, its economy would rank as the 18th largest in the world. On a per-capita basis, Pennsylvania's per-capita GSP of $35,641 ranks 26th among the 50 states.

California is #1 on GDP, yes. But PA is 6th. That's hardly "one of the poorest".



BTW, PA makes steel. That metal that supports our modern life. Even cavemen could pick fruit off of trees.



I seem to recall that the East Coast made the United States. We will survive.



Ya'll can take your crappy governments and green-loving, progress-halting hippies and break off of the continent, and we'll Still be fine. Just let me know when you're leaving, so I can buy up land in the Nevada desert

 

[Thomas Rogers]

KL,



No fair to use facts in a debate.



Bill, once again made a statement he can't back up.



Surely California doesn't control the entire world, and surely if California dies the entire world won't crash and burn. Just drama queen stuff, right there.



TJR

 

[Bill Barber]

lots of produce in PA, until the snow falls:lol:Is fortunate that I live in the foothills, above the aluvial plane that may fall into the pacific.

No pissing contest intended, but if kali tanks, and all the above companys and institutions tank, it will be a major hit for the entire nation.

As i age, what bothers me the most, is we have no more honey bees, no pollenators

I read rachel carsons book for the 3rd time last night (silent spring)SP.

As I age, the monetary crises becomes a non-issue, the next issue will be , can we feed this country.

We need to get out of this war crap

 

[Tom Schindler]

If California falls into the ocean, what are we going to do without the CARB?:lol:





Tom

 

[Kevin Palmer]

Larry said;

America will never be destroyed from the outside.

As I age and have the opportunity to see all that is going on in the world, I will have to agree with your statement.



Which says much about our ability to protect ourselves from the world but not from ourself...

 

[Thomas Rogers]

Bill,



Who cares about the snow falls. This country, including the northeast, survived centuries on locally produced produce. So we wouldn't get fresh fruits and veggies in the middle of the winter...that's what canning USED to be used for.



Many around here are going back to the old days. They are growing their own gardens, or buying local produce from local farmer's markets, then canning and storing for winter.



I agree if California falls (as it is surely on its way to do) there will be a hit within the nation and the world...but nothing we can't overcome.



Besides, a state can't really fall, IMHO, not in the way you are describing. Yes, the California state government can become bankrupt and insolvent. But farming will still happen. Businesses in California will still run, even if they have to shift borders either physically, or virtually.



I look at California the same way I do Wall Street, and Detroit. Yes, these entities might be shaken at the core, and some of the big, nostaligic pieces may go away, but cars will still get made, banking will still get done, and Mexican will still pick produce and it will still get shipped around the country/world, regardless of whether or not these artificial entities we call states, and streets and cities continue to exist in their current form.



TJR

 

[Gavin Allan]

We could give California to the Mexicans. They could keep it going for a long time just fine.

 

[Mike Corn]

Gavin, you freaking kidding me, there would be cartel war for control of the Cali's Real Estate if that were to happen. I mean much more than currently

 

[Tom Schindler]

As I age and have the opportunity to see all that is going on in the world, I will have to agree with your statement.

Of course, one can see how that original statement could be with any country.





Tom

 

[Kevin Lang]

We could give California to the Mexicans.

They wish. Then they'd get back a piece of actually decent land that they lost.



Mexico as it is now sucks. We realized this after we took all of it from the Rio Grande to Mexico City, as we gave it back. However, the mexicans knew that it sucked too, and so we had to pay them to take it back.

Who cares about the snow falls. This country, including the northeast, survived centuries on locally produced produce.

Didn't we just celebrate a holiday about the northeast getting surviving the winter?





Edit: On topic, the "War Tax" of a total of "5 trillion" will be nothing compared to the taxes to pay for all the money that presbo has spent. It's a good thing that the modern method of money is to spend what you don't--and never will--have, and just take more and more loans on top of preexisting loans, because we're screwed if we have to pay anything back. With all our debt, I'm surprised that the dollar is worth anything.



As for losing wars, How do you evaluate whether or not America was involved in a war? I'm pretty sure we won in Panama, in the Gulf War, and in our shadow war with the USSR in Afghanistan, we won. America has been involved in one way or another with scores of military interventions in various rebellions and "wars" after WW2.

 

[Paul Maurer 2]

I like the idea- a per capita amount applied directly to war, and a law that all wars are now "pay as you go". If everyone actually had to pay for it now instead of borrowing and dumping the debt on our kids, we would not invent reasons to have wars.

 

[Andy Cabrera]

We could give California to the Mexicans.

I was stationed at Miramar...I thought they did!:lol: