Health Care Bill Question

[Tom Schindler]

Stop blaming FDR. Place the blame on Abraham Lincoln. He freed the blacks therefore making inflation go up becuase the price of cotten got higher because labor became expensive. Then the backs got lazy and we needed welfare to support them.



Admit it, you all are thinking that.





Tom



p.s. I do not believe this but so many people here are so racist it isn't funny.

 

[Richard L]

The Public Option only means that you will not be able to buy insurance from the Government. Medicaid will still exist and will be expanded to include even more people who are unemployed or otherwise cannot afford health insurance. That's how the Senator from Nebraska was convinced to vote for the bill. The Federal Government will pick up Nebraska's Medicaid tab, while all the other states have to pay for their own. Sounds pretty shady to me, if not illegal?



The Senator from South Carolina indicates that this bill will increase his states Medicaid cost by about $1 Billion a year...



I am all for a comprehensive Healthcare reform bill, but this is not a good bill. Neither side could settle on a compromise and so it was rammed down our throats just to meet Obama's deadline. Nearly 60% of Americans polled do not want this Healthcare bill, but like it or not, we are going to get it.



No one Republican Senator voted for this bill. I think the Republican position is to let the Democrats dig their own graves and after the next election the Repubicans will simply push the dirt over the all the dead Democrats in the Senate and in Congress.



...Rich

 

[Richard Polk]

Caymen wrote:



Stop blaming FDR. Place the blame on Abraham Lincoln. He freed the blacks therefore making inflation go up becuase the price of cotten got higher because labor became expensive. Then the backs got lazy and we needed welfare to support them.



Admit it, you all are thinking that.





Tom



p.s. I do not believe this but so many people here are so racist it isn't funny.

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[Les]

Stop blaming FDR. Place the blame on Abraham Lincoln. He freed the blacks therefore making inflation go up becuase the price of cotten got higher because labor became expensive. Then the backs got lazy and we needed welfare to support them.

Didn't realize health care reform was a black/white issue. Thought it was a greed and governmental control issue.

 

[Richard L]

Caymen,

Caymen wrote:



Stop blaming FDR. Place the blame on Abraham Lincoln. He freed the blacks therefore making inflation go up becuase the price of cotten got higher because labor became expensive. Then the backs got lazy and we needed welfare to support them.



Admit it, you all are thinking that.

You really know the way to say the stupidest things !!!



I'll bet you have great Healthcare since you obviously only have two moving parts, your mouth and your bowels....and they are both interchangable.



I would ask you to shut your mouth but the same sh_t comes out both ends,



...Rich

 

[Gavin Allan]

When Obamacare kicks in, we are all going to die. :smile0008:

Crap. I knew it.

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[TrainTrac]

This monstrosity of a bill doesn't reform anything. If it's supposedly so great and wonderful, why was rushed, rather than discussed/debated at length in a rational manner? Why was it voted on in the middle of the night, on a weekend, rather than in the light of day, during normal working hours?



It's about power, buying votes, and saving Obama's first year in office from being a failure for not accomplishing anything of substance. The "fence-sitting" senators (Landrieu, Nelson, et al) who ended up voting for this bill after certain "concessions" (i.e. pork) were given are nothing but whores.

Senate: This Is About Life & Death ... and Pork



Posted By John Stossel On December 21, 2009



Congress was busy this weekend. That is never a good sign.



Today's New York Times quotes [1] Senator Harry Reid explaining what the health care bill is all about:



This is not about politics, Mr. Reid said. This is not about polling. Its about people. Its about life and death in America. Its about human suffering, and given the chance to relieve this suffering, we must."



So, how exactly did Senate leadership persuade the few remaining Democrats who were dragging their heels? By appealing to their principles, of course. FoxNews.com [2] reports [3]:



Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., won between $100 million and $300 million in additional federal aid for her state's Medicaid population. The deal, secured before she cast her critical vote in favor of bringing the health bill to the floor, was immediately dubbed the "Louisiana Purchase," though the actual Louisiana Purchase was considerably cheaper.



... Florida, New York and Pennsylvania -- where five of six senators are Democrats -- will have their seniors' Medicare Advantage benefits protected, even as the program sees massive cuts elsewhere.



... Nebraska's [Sen. Ben Nelson] won permanent federal aid for his state's expanded Medicaid population, a benefit worth up to $100 million over 10 years. Other states get the federal aid for three years, but Nebraska's benefit is indefinite.



If the health care bill were really about life and death, it wouldn't take earmarks to get votes.



Some Democrats had another motivation [4] to pass the bill:



Lawmakers who attended a private meeting between Mr. Obama and Senate Democrats at the White House on Tuesday pointed to remarks there by Senator Evan Bayh, Democrat of Indiana, as providing some new inspiration...he did not want to see the satisfied looks on the faces of Republican leaders if they succeeded in blocking the measure.



The details of the bill don't seem to matter much any more. The debate has come down to "Us" vs "Them". Some bill must pass so that one side can declare "victory".



Remember that next time you hear that Congress is working "overtime" to pass a bill.

 

[Tom Schindler]

I'll bet you have great Healthcare since you obviously only have two moving parts, your mouth and your bowels....and they are both interchangable.

You are, like, SO mature. You resort to name calling. Good one my friend, good one.





Tom

 

[Gavin Allan]

Article from the "Investor's Business Daily. It provides some very interesting statistics from a survey by the United Nations International Health Organization.



Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after diagnosis:

U.S. 65%

England 46%

Canada 42%



Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received treatment within six months:

U.S. 93%

England 15%

Canada 43%



Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it within six months:

U.S. 90%

England 15%

Canada 43%



Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within one month:

U.S. 77%

England 40%

Canada 43%



Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people:

U.S. 71

England 14

Canada 18



Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in "excellent health":

U.S. 12%

England 2%

Canada 6%



I don't know about you, but I don't want "Universal Healthcare" comparable to England or Canada .



"Elderly Americans must learn to accept the inconveniences of old age." - Senator Harry Reid

 

[Richard L]

Caymen,

Reread my post....What name did I call you ??? I did not call you any name, so it's just more of your same BS coming out both ends



...Rich

 

[Tom Schindler]

Reread my post....What name did I call you ??? I did not call you any name, so it's just more of your same BS coming out both ends

...and you keep going.





Tom

 

[Richard L]

Caymen,

Yes, I keep going, and you keep lying !!



Just answer the question, "What name did I call you"?? Everytime you get caught in a lie, or say something stupid, you want to change the subject.



I will admit when I make a mistake, but you can't so you try to lie your way out or change the subject. Everyone on this site knows the Caymen BS.



...Rich

 

[TrainTrac]

You are, like, SO mature. You resort to name calling. Good one my friend, good one.

Do you mean like this?

Stop blaming FDR. Place the blame on Abraham Lincoln. He freed the blacks therefore making inflation go up becuase the price of cotten got higher because labor became expensive. Then the backs got lazy and we needed welfare to support them.



Admit it, you all are thinking that.





Tom



p.s. I do not believe this but so many people here are so racist it isn't funny.

I merely point this out as a "pot calling the kettle black" example. This thread started off as a discussion about a piece of pending legislation. You were the one who threw the race card and called other site members names. This contributed nothing of substance to the discussion.

 

[Bill Barber]

as above, the U.S truly has the best med care in the world, but the costs are getting out of hand.

The main downside as I see it, will be the curtailment of advances in medical technology.

only the the very Rich will get the latest and greatest.

To give you some Idea, Was envolved in a major Spine surg, case last week (14 Hrs)

(am not an advocate of spine surg, but thats how I make my living)

patient had 16 Titainium screws, Ti rods and cross braces installed, the screws cost 2K each, thats 32 grand, all the rest of the hardware, at least 20 grand, so 50K in hardware, 14 hrs of surg, the Docs, the nurses, me, other supplies= around Maybe 300K, this was a medicare patiant.Your tax dollors at work.

with the new health plan, the same patient will be given a scrip for narcotics and fitted with a back brace, (maybe thats a good thing, dunno)

In England, if your older, and suffer from intractable pain due to cancer and have no money, your given a script for Bromptons solution (heroin,Cocaine and alcohol) go home and live out your days in comfort (maybe thats a good thing,dunno)

Worked in cardiac surg for 40 yrs, the tech advancments In cardiac has been incredable.

In canada and england as I have been told, if you need bypass surg,and your older, your put on a waiting list, maybe for as long as 6 mos. That waiting list has a huge mortality rate,(maybe thats a good thing,dunno)

The system I work in is heavy into robotic surg, machines are 2mil ea, (we have four, is it better? dunno) All I do know is that something has to change, cost containment 20 yrs ago was paramount, today it means nothing, is balls to the wall.

The unused products I see thrown out every day in the OR is mind boggling.

Doc I worked with 10 yrs ago just had to have this laser machine for vascular surg.

Was cheap, 125 grand, he used it twice in two yrs, than moved on and the machine was scraped for maybe 2 cents a pound.

This country needs change for sure (but at what cost? Dunno)

 

[Nelson Atwell]

Exactly Bill. I know of a person here in Poland that died while waiting for heart surgery. He was younger than me, and had a wife and two small children. He had been waiting for over six months.



I also have a friend who lost part of her sight waiting 9 months for a doctor to check a problem she has with her thyroid. It was a known issue and she had been given a prescription, but it made her so sick she couldn't continue. It took nine months to get the new appointment for new meds. She feels better now, but her sight won't come back. She is a beautiful 28 year old girl, and now she will deal with that the rest of her life.



Get ready for a long, rough ride. Yes, I am a beneficiary of social medicine as a military member, but don't think the government can afford that level of care for 300 million people. They are already struggling with Medicare. Something has to give, and either we all pay a huge bill, or we go the way of Europe and join the legions of people waiting for treatment when something bad happens.

 

[Andy Cabrera]

I love it here!

It's so entertaining

 

[Bill Barber]

I love it here!

It's so entertaining

And always the same actors.

 

[Richard L]

I applogize to all the members on this thread who where engaged in a civil discussion on healthcare when Caymen started throwing stones.



I should not have reacted the way I did, but Caymen always tries to shoot a negative comment my way, trying to start an agrument. Frankly, I am sick of it, and I'm sure most of you are too.



...Rich

 

[Richard Polk]

I have another question.



Why do so many people on the internet get all bent out of shape because of what someone says?



If that kinds of stuff bothers anyone, then I suggest they get off of the net and move in to a bubble so no one can ever hurt their itsy bittsy feelings again. Or, better yet, grow some balls.



Geez Louise!

 

[Andy Cabrera]

re: Health Care Bill Question by gatorrich,12/22/2009 17:12 ET

I have another question.

Why do so many people on the internet get all bent out of shape because of what someone says?

If that kinds of stuff bothers anyone, then I suggest they get off of the net and move in to a bubble so no one can ever hurt their itsy bittsy feelings again. Or, better yet, grow some balls.



Geez Louise!

Aw Jeez, don't... say... bawls...

Now ya gone and dun it,

Todd is gonna come out & kick ya in da keester!

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