Vice President Dick Cheney accidentally shot............................

[Greg A]

Train



Maybe rapes would drop but who knows what crimes would go up, nobody

knows.



We are 2 differents societies who treat guns differently, I really

think that what Canada does is good for Canada and how Americans treat

guns is good for them.

 

[Josh Langel]

You're right that we are two different societies, but I think the human possesses the same emotions and do try to <b>survive</b> the same way no matter where geographically. violence is everywhere.



Hell, I may end up in Canada to work (they treat the independent film business much better)...



I am not looking forward to giving up the guns, but my passion comes first.

 

[Greg A]

Mud



If someone entered my house and threatened my Family, they deserve to be shot.



We do not have the option in Canada to have a gun in our House, which I am

fine with.



But if crime did surge and there were alot of break and enters with innocent people

getting hurt, i would be the first to buy a gun to protect my family (legally or not). I just do not feel that i am at threat of a violent break and enter.

 

[Greg A]

Many government subsidies for independant film in Canada.



Off to my kids hockey, its been nice chatting..

 

[Josh Langel]

Yeah, but I'm not saying that people who own guns are parnoid.



I don't fear a break in. I don't walk around scared and defensive.... I just feel better knowing that there is that much more for me to use in case of a situation... and yes, I understand that a criminal would have the same oportunity to use the same weapon as a means to get what they want.

 

[Josh Langel]

Have a good one. And yes, nice chatting too!

 

[Nelson Atwell]

I don't see anyone winning this debate. One thing I can say is that Canada's population density is much lower than the US. This would tend to lower crime averages, since the average canadian would have to travel further to commit a crime against another, and many times do it in freezing weather. I suspect they just stay home and drink some warm cocoa instead.



Folks in the US inner cities have a target-rich environment to focus their crimes on, and the weather is on average less frigid. In fact, in the Southern cities it is downright hot, which means they'll be drinking some beer, instead of hot cocoa. Or even worse tequila.



And of course, the Brits just stop for tea time and toss darts in the pub. :lol:



Just my little theory of why crime is higher in the US.



(has as much logic as many other theories posted in this thread)

 

[Rick Kent]

gwac,



Hockey, a topic that the US and Canada can agree on.



Oh wait, there is a brewing war of word between the women's teams.....

 

[TrainTrac]

Wow, gwac, you just make it too easy to rebut your statements...:lol:

Mud I never said Canadians do not need protecting, we need more police and they

should have guns.



Many government subsidies for independant film in Canada.

You never said Canadians don't need protecting, but you're basically saying that you can't protect yourselves, or the government doesn't think you're capable of protecting yourselves, so you have to have the police protect you? And why subsidize filmmakers? Because otherwise they couldn't make it on their own? Let's now forget socialized medicine. How well does that work? How long to people have to wait for treatment?



That's right, the all-knowing, all-feeling Mother government will take care of you, from cradle to grave. You don't have to think or worry about a thing...

We should

also put our murder`s to dealth (as long as we are 100% sure they are resonsible)



If someone entered my house and threatened my Family, they deserve to be shot.



We do not have the option in Canada to have a gun in our House, which I am

fine with.

Against guns, but for the death penalty?:huh: 'nuff said...



If someone entered your house and threatened your family, they deserve to be shot, but you're fine with not having a gun in your house...So who the heck is gonna shoot this criminal??? You'll be dead before the police get there to shoot them.

 

[TrainTrac]

Just for the heck of it...150

 

[Ryan Schaecher]

151...





Personally, corrupt or completely legit, I am not leaving the safety of my family in a stranger's hands. A stranger is threatening me or my family and I'll be damn if I let another stranger try to protect me, especially when they are several minutes away from responding.



I would rather trust my gun-toting neighbors (on three sides) than the local police (did I mention the my local cheif of police was indicted for rapeing a child?? yep, I trust him to help me). I live in a town of ~3000 people. There are a TOTAL of 5 cops, two of which are part time. Why do we only need 5? Nearly 65% of the people in my town own at least 1 firearm. At least 80% of those own at least two. Nearly 50% of those own at least 4. The cops know that they would be only there to clean up the scene.



Last time I was in Toronto (about two months ago), it wouldn't have been that difficult to smuggle firearms accross Lake Ontario from the states. If you know there are fewer cops "than necessary", don't you think the bed guys do too? Do you honestly think that having a baseball bat is good protection? I hope for your sake that an armed intruder never enters your dwelling unannounced.



as I said earlier:

To quote a British (I'll add Canadian) Citizen who's wife is being attacked in her own home "STOP! Or I'll Yell Stop Again!"



To quote a US Citizen who's wife is being attacked in her own home "Bang!"

 

[Josh Langel]

And why subsidize filmmakers? Because otherwise they couldn't make it on their own? Let's now forget socialized medicine. How well does that work? How long to people have to wait for treatment?

I think he was commenting on the fact that Canada puts money aside to promote art in its country, in this case film.

 

[Rich Stern]

gwac, many studies have been done in the United States refuting the idea that more guns mean more crime. I am unaware of any scientifically validated study that says otherwise. The number of privately owned guns and gun ownership and in the U.S. have steadily increased in recent decades, and overall crime rates have declined. That flies in the face of your comments.



Crime grows from social issues: Education (or lack of). Economic opportunity (or lack of). Parenting (or lack of). Drug abuse. Community stength (or weakness). Cultural gaps.



Do you know what the most heavily armed nation, per household, in the world is?



Switzerland.



There is an assualt rifle in nearly every home, because every able bodied man in Switzerland has mandatory military service, and reserve service after direct military service, during which time he is required to maintain his weapon at the ready, in his home.



Care to guess what the crime rate is like in Switzerland? If you said "ridiculouosly low", you would be correct.



Do you know why it is so low? It's not because of the guns in each house. It's because Switzerland is a socially uniform country. Everyone looks alike. Everyone speaks alike. The economy is stable. Communities change very little. Everyone in a Swiss village knows everyone else. They know each other's families. They know each other's families forebearers. That kind of social stability is what keeps crime from being a problem in a place like Switzerland.



The United States has always been a land of immigrants, and our society is always in great shift. We're the world's melting pot. Is it any surprise that when you take diiffering values, languages, and cultures, and throw them into a fast-boiling pot, that some smoke and fire gets generated?



Now for a more direct example to your more guns = more crime theory, consider Washington D.C., where it is illegal to possess a handgun, or keep any gun at home unless it is disassembled and inoperable. It's routinely one of our most crime ridden cities, often coming out on top in national crime stats.



Clearly, keeping guns from honest people does nothing in detering criminals. It emboldens them.



Canada is more socially uniform than the United States. You could pour guns into Canadian hands and it won't alter the crime rate dramatically; the number of thwarted attempts will go up. You'll still have some small percentage of people willing to harm others. The availability of guns to people outside that group won't change the bad guys, although it might occassionally dissuade them from actually acting on a criminal impulse.

 

[TrainTrac]

I think he was commenting on the fact that Canada puts money aside to promote art in its country, in this case film.

I wasn't taking a personal shot at you, Josh. I making a point about the cradle-to-grave Socialist mentality in Canada and the U.S. Your and my hard-earned tax dollars are used to "promote" the arts here in the U.S. as well, through progams such as the National Endowment of the Arts and others. That is un-Constitutional and just plain wrong. It's no better than farm subsidies. If an artist's work is good, then it should be able to stand on it's own merit. If not, they shouldn't be supported by the gov't, they should find a new profession. That's just my opinion.



With regards to you and your burgeoning film career, Qapla'!

 

[Greg A]

Mud and train a film or tv program would never be made in Canada without Government

Money.









Top 10 Movies in Canada (All america produced)

February 10 - 12, 2006





THIS WEEK LAST WEEK TITLE STUDIO WEEKEND

GROSS * TOTAL

GROSS * TOTAL

WEEKS

1 - THE PINK PANTHER Columbia 1,714,951 1,714,951 1

2 - FINAL DESTINATION 3 Alliance Atlantis 1,229,712 1,229,712 1

3 - FIREWALL Warner Bros. 1,063,993 1,063,993 1

4 - CURIOUS GEORGE Universal 1,023,067 1,023,067 1

5 3 BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN Odeon 615,426 8,168,143 10

6 1 WHEN A STRANGER CALLS Columbia 566,074 2,339,231 2

7 2 NANNY MCPHEE Universal 533,028 3,149,164 3

8 4 BIG MOMMA'S HOUSE 2 20th Century Fox 325,165 2,622,765 3

9 5 UNDERWORLD: EVOLUTION Columbia 264,590 5,715,118 4

10 8 WALK THE LINE 20th Century Fox 225,815 10,250,556 13

 

[Greg A]

Train



Without Gov subsidies we would have no arts....Why do you guys

subsidized your farmers, same reason we do, we want Farms....

 

[Josh Langel]

I know, a lot of my recent favorite films were produced in Canada.

 

[Greg A]

Rich



If our crime was higher than the US, then you could justify it. How do you

justify relaxing our gun laws with a crime rate that is generally lower....Its

not going to happen.

 

[Greg A]

Mud



Tax subsidies up the you know what, it pisses off hollywood big time.

 

[Greg A]

Train



One thing about our socialist mentality, its moved to the center (thank god), we have produce Federal budget surplus for the last 10 years in a row....